Any other Christians annoyed at what society has turned Easter into?

[Opol]

I’m resigned that the same has been done to Christmas. But for me that is “only” the birth of Christ.

As a Roman Catholic, Easter is of far more importance to me. For me, God’s love for humanity meant he sacrificed his only son. Jesus’ resurrection is literally the embodiment of the victory of light over darkness, good over evil etc.

I don’t wish to gate keep but seeing it reduced to Easter baskets and chocolate rabbits is unpleasant to witness. I’m more annoyed at society making everything hollow and superficial via consumerism and over consumption.

Pagans may be equally upset that Christianity took over the spring fertility festival of Eostre (where the word Easter comes from) in a deliberate act to erase the old ways.

The hare (not a bunny) and the egg are ancient symbols of fertility.

https://www.thefield.co.uk/country-house/easter-eostre-24035

One Christian's Christian values are different to another Christian's Christian values - and sometimes very different.

Even within the same denomination out of however many dozens or hundreds, there can be very significant differences.

The families were oppressed by the church and state in these cases. The state acted in collusion with the church. It all happened in a hugely oppressive environment. So yes, be more concerned about what's happening now, but be so bearing in mind what's happened in the past.

And what is more balanced than factual historical accuracies.
Are you saying the Christians didn't do it?
They did you can't argue that
So explain why I shouldn't tell my children what they did do?

OK, I will. I've been trying to err on the side of tact, but you're determined to twist my words so I'll give you my 100% honest opinion.

At no point have I ever claimed terrible things didn't happen in the name of Christianity or other religions. But that's partly my point. As their mother, at the age of 10 they are more or less going to take your word not only as fact but as guidance for what they themselves should believe. They're going to assimilate 'religion is wrong' as a blanket truth and I don't think you have any right to do that to them. IMHO it's as wrong to do that to a child as to religiously indoctrinate them. These things should be up to them to choose when they are old enough. And if you want me to be completely honest, I think 10's too young for such potentially distressing conversations in the first place. But hey, you do you.

As a non-Christian, I do get annoyed at what Christians turned the spring festival into with their Lent and Maundy and Good Friday and all that Last Supper and God and Jesus stuff. Very annoyed.

But then I remember we got JS Bach and the Easter Oratorio and the St Matthew Passion (and, we recall this tercentenary, St John Passion, too) and all the cantatas and Leipzig stuff, for free as it were ('SDG'?). So I forgive them.

To err, after all, is human. But to forgive ...

And if you want me to be completely honest, I think 10's too young for such potentially distressing conversations in the first place. But hey, you do you

What age is it ok to tell someone about Jesus being nailed to the cross because he was the Son of God and died to save us from sin?

The truth hurts eh? For my own part, my child is in a school that celebrates all religions. None are taught as fact but none are excluded. They're far to young to know about abuses etc. but I have spoken to my daughter about my reasons for my dislike of the Catholic church. In suitable language. Her Nanny brings her to mass occasionally so she's got no fear.

Why does it annoy you? What do you believe the spring festival would be like if Christianity hadn't reached Britain and Christians hadn't introduced the Christian festival to the spring festival?

What parts of this original spring festival can you not celebrate now? What parts do you wish everyone celebrated, at the expense of celebrating the Christian festival?

I do get it.
But
If some Christian’s have told you they have interpreted the values in different ways then that’s up to them surely. I dare say different Christian’s May have different values as certainly things like the teaching on transubstantiation are very different.

So you have been posted the values. These are the values and to be honest why would I bother writing them all out for you parrot fashion when they are easily available online.

I have no idea why you are posting tv stuff tbh.
Hopefully christians learn the values or get them from more reputable sources.

Hey look above @ErrolTheDragon has got it.
Thanks Errol I’m not alone

If you have no idea why such stuff has been posted, then you don't get it.

There are lots of Christian values - and many are conflicting with each other.

So clearly no consistent Christian values and lots of cherry picking going on - as clearly demonstrated in the TV clips

Oh - and @ErrolTheDragon clearly understands that one Christians values are different to anothers - so your posting of them is meaningless and there is no definitive go to list that all Christians believe in.

I think even Love thy neighbour is lost on many Christians.

Supposedly we have

Love
Compassion
Forgiveness
Humility
Integrity

You'll forgive me if I look at the history of our country and these Christian values and think they were forgotten

You'll forgive me if I look at many people, especially prominent politicians, who call themselves Christians and don't follow these values.

I guess they are just bad Christians. Or CINO - Christians in Name Only

Because TWW clip captures the hypocrisy of some people so well. Not everyone, but definitely some. And that's why non religious people get so annoyed. I don't care how someone chooses to live their life privately, but once it starts to bleed into someone else's, there's a problem.

Apparently there's CHRINO and CEO (Christmas and Easter only)

The CHRINO: Christian in Name Only | Church Answers

You do you and let everyone else do what they want. We do not all share your belief in your precious book of fairy tales.

Irish schools 😞

Magdalen laundries didn’t abuse women in the name of religion but because predators gravitate towards occupations with power and unrestricted access to victims. You get your knowledge about Christianity from films?

The Nuns in the laundries routinely beat the girls for their own sexual gratification then?

Nope.

They did it because the religion they devoted their lives too told them the girls were dirty & sinful.

They DID abuse those girls in the name of religion, and then they got to be sexually abused on top of it!

I genuinely cannot believe anyone is making an attempt to defend Magdalene laundries. Wtaf like!

@Whowhatwherewhenwhy1

"You do you and let everyone else do what they want. We do not all share your belief in your precious book of fairy tales."

I totally agree that everyone should be free to celebrate or not Easter, Christmas, Eid, Diwali in whatever way they choose to (or not). I think it's the commercialisation point that OP objects to.

But why do you feel the need to be insulting and dismiss another person's religious beliefs as "a precious book of fairy tales"

Why annoyed? On reflection, perhaps because I judge Christianity in line with Matthew 7-16, engendering a kind of overarching dislike of it all.

But, yes, interesting thought as to what our festivals would have been like if Christianity hadn't annexed them. Better? Worse? Hmm. Probably some other more-or-less dodgy ideology would have forced itself on us. Better or worse fruits? I'm not sure. But such historical counterfactuals, surely worth considering, indeed.

Did we need Christianity to get JS Bach? Maybe he would have written more dance suites without God? Or perhaps there might have been, say, a Manichaean Passion if only Augustine had stuck to his early guns?

My suspicions are that human genius occurs independently - it's so strange and rare, so to speak. But that might be wrong. What d'you think?

This is an interesting view on Christians in Name Only

Christian In Name Only - Conservapedia

If you are a Liberal Christian, then these Christians think you are a Christian in Name Only. And God forbid you should think that Jesus was for social justice

God moves in mysterious ways

Leave it to the religious to try to defend the indefensible.

It's madness that they don't look at the atrocities carried out in the name of something they claim to love and feel fury. Instead they sweep-under-the-rug.

It escalated very quickly when people decide their views are the only correct ones. So, when someone says, I'm not into Easter because cuz, and they get a lecture about ancient (made up) history, hackles will be raised.

The truth hurts eh? For my own part, my child is in a school that celebrates all religions. None are taught as fact but none are excluded. They're far to young to know about abuses etc. but I have spoken to my daughter about my reasons for my dislike of the Catholic church. In suitable language. Her Nanny brings her to mass occasionally so she's got no fear.

I'm not sure whether you're addressing me here (if so, no the truth doesn't hurt, thanks for asking) or the pp I was responding to.

My experience of so called ‘Christians’ hasn’t been been great. From attending a religious primary school and being singled out for poor treatment because ‘I didn’t go to church’, excluded from youth clubs for the same reason to working with so called Christian colleagues who were absolute cunts. In this case it was suggested that we should all think this person was some kind of saint just because they did a bit of charity work as if it excused the awful way they actually treated others. You can shove your fairy stories and hypocrisy up your arse, I’ll enjoy my chocolate eggs thanks!