Any other Christians annoyed at what society has turned Easter into?

[Opol]

I’m resigned that the same has been done to Christmas. But for me that is “only” the birth of Christ.

As a Roman Catholic, Easter is of far more importance to me. For me, God’s love for humanity meant he sacrificed his only son. Jesus’ resurrection is literally the embodiment of the victory of light over darkness, good over evil etc.

I don’t wish to gate keep but seeing it reduced to Easter baskets and chocolate rabbits is unpleasant to witness. I’m more annoyed at society making everything hollow and superficial via consumerism and over consumption.

It'll never.

Religion thrives on indoctrination, fear and control.

They'll never allow it.

@Justpontificating

I really think that the future of democracy and freedom of speech are completely screwed going forward.

There is no ability to even listen to another point of view let alone try and understand it, with polarisation making compromise solutions impossible.

Instead it is simply my opinion is right and I will shout louder to prove it, if you provide facts to counter my views then they are fake. If you continue to debate then your views are dismissed as fascist, far left or far right, woke or neo Nazi.

I could point you to a country of two religions at war at the moment if that helps.
They’re both rather p….. off religions at the moment with both historically and , on conflict on the Middle East thread here on MN, coming up with some highly inflammatory language being used over these past months.

As to the reproductive rights, you are free to have an abortion if you want to. Yes, most Christians consider it killing a human but if you aren’t Christian then why should it matter to you?

Someof those same people campaign against safe and legal abortion and harass women outside clinics.

You could also be worried about how women and LGBT people are treated in some other religions that are bound to gain prominence and influence the lawmaking in the West soon…

Whichrl religions are gaining prominence and influence in lawmaking and using it to curtail the rights of women and LGBT people exactly?

Or words are twisted which is even more frustrating because tbh I then feel the need to explain as I assume people have genuinely misunderstood.

I absolutely agree the change in attitudes is frustrating and very upsetting for future generations.

It’s children being ‘over-commercialised’ with all of the plastic nonsense. This is all year round not just at Easter. If it wasn’t for Easter it would be for something else.

This. If you can celebrate someone from thousands of years ago rising from the dead then surely you can stretch to believing in a chocolate-bringing bunny!

Or sometimes people say things - but when asked to clarify such things, then they don't clarify.

You have talked about Christian values - but it's clear from a range of sources that no one is clear about what Christian values actually are. People have a diverse range of views.

I’ve never mentioned the concept or otherwise of Christian values
Pick on someone that has please.

I agree. I should have clarified that I meant when they're old enough.

I second Google @cakeorwine
Pages and pages on your burning question to reflect on.

@TheWelshposter

"This. If you can celebrate someone from thousands of years ago rising from the dead then surely you can stretch to believing in a chocolate-bringing bunny!"

Precisely- which is why I believe in God and Father Christmas in equal measure because they are both about trying to be nice to other people which is surely a good thing.

That said I'm sure someone will be along to criticise this view by pointing out the historical injustice of using slave labour elves to produce toys in sub zero working conditions.

The thing is - there are many different views on that.

As was discussed on another thread - with different opinions
New Testament?
Old Testament?
Which ones to include?
Exclude?

Don’t worry I’ll be there with, but they have M&S thermals on. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@cakeorwine

"Personally, I think that no child should be baptised or "enrolled" into ANY religion until they are an adult and can make an informed choice."

A perfectly reasonable and logical position however good luck in trying to explain that to all religions across the UK, let alone enforce it!

This is MN.
People are allowed different opinions it makes the world an interesting and varied place to be.
So you can Chose your own there’s no need to worry about others.
Each to their own

@Justpontificating

Besides I think I'm going to appear to be clever with a "gotcha historical fact" that Father Christmas simply ripped off the idea of gift giving from the Roman festival of Saturnalia. And that any child being excited about Santa should acknowledge this fact.

It's all so tedious...

But Jesus was responding by saying that this was an exception to the rule - the law of cause and effect. There are numerous other refs to karma in the New testament, too many to quote all of them: He who takes the sword will perish by the sword; behold, thou art whole, sin no more lest a worse thing come unto thee; the son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, arise, take up thy bed and walk, and so on.

You have talked about us being a Christian country.

You talked about the Book of Exodus being central to Judaism and Christianity after someone quoted a verse from Exodus linked to what some people would see as Christian values

But it's very clear that some Christian's values are different to other Christian's values - depending on what kind of Christian someone is.

Not sure if that helps define Christian values.

If one Christian believes these values and other Christians disagree and believe in different values, then what Christian values is the UK based on?

1. How would that work in practice? Should religious parents not go to their place of worship?
2. Bringing a child up without religion is also giving them a worldview/"religion,".

And what is more balanced than factual historical accuracies.
Are you saying the Christians didn't do it?
They did you can't argue that

So explain why I shouldn't tell my children what they did do?

See original attachment for Christian values.
Its just a quick google.

See original attachment for Christian values.
It's just a quick google.

A quick google yielding millions of results. Kind of proves that poster's point, doesn't it?
Christian values? Take your pick...😂

You really don't get it

One Christian's Christian values are different to another Christian's Christian values - and sometimes very different.

So what do you think Christian values are?

I will use the West Wing again - and The Prom - some people think these are Christian values. Others would disagree.

It's relevant to people who cherry pick Christian values