To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

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Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

Urgh. I need a shower after reading this.

I'm a bit left and I totally get where you and other potential Reform voters are coming from.

While I don't agree with Reform policies, I have more respect for their voters than I do with the supposed single issue posters claiming they need to vote Tory. Regardless of the outcome, I hope your voice gets heard by the future government @Username947531.

Labour think they don’t need to be ‘distracted’ by the safeguarding of women and children? More than 50% of the population.

Says it all, I guess. What a time to be alive.

Why is it so hard for some people to grasp that being critical of one party doesn’t mean you support the other? It’s so childish.

Since the House of Commons is determined by the First Past the Post system there only in any given election will be two parties (well one this year) in with a chance of winning. That means of course voting for one of those two parties if you want to influence who the government is. It follows logically an argument against one of the main parties is ALWAYS an arguement for the other.

Now we could have a discussion about changing the electoral system. I used to have some hope that Starmer would tackle that in his 2nd term once he has dealt with the HoLs, but I am increasingly doubting the appetite wille exist once Labour have remembered how well they can do under FPTP.

Are you insane? The worst labour government will always be better for women than the corrupt, misogynistic Tories.

Your pathetic culture wars are a non issue. The Conservatives have conned the country, bled it dry to line their own pockets. I cannot wait to see them obliterated at the next election.

In my eyes, years of a labour government have ruined society.
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Your eyese are very confused, we have had 14 years of Tory government.
Perhaps you need a trip to Barnard Castle?

Agreed. I won’t be voting Tory.

Why is it so hard to grasp the notion that those criticising Labour aren’t necessarily Tory voters?

Some of us are capable of thinking in shades of grey. Some of us want Labour to DO BETTER.

Really, what we are asking for is very very basic. Shame on them for not even providing that. Shame on them. And all their cheerleaders.

There is more than one way to safeguard women and children.

For example funding the criminal justice system so that cases get dealt with more quickly.
For example funding social services so the burden of caring for the ill and elderley does not fall on families - well particularly women in those families.

Is my daughter (and other patients) better off because her cardiologist retired a few years ago in disgust at what the NHS at become under the Tories?

I am one of those single mothers living in an increasingly multicultural inner-city. My biggest problem is the Tory government who've wrecked the country.

I can assure you that me, my children and my neighbours aren't the reason for the UK's problems. We don't have that much power.

OTOH, the Tories have spent the past 14 years in power and have wrecked the whole country with their arrogance, lies, incompetence and corruption.

Your eyese are very confused, we have had 14 years of Tory government.
Perhaps you need a trip to Barnard Castle? @JessS1990

The wheels have been in motion for many years, think 97 Blair...these things do not happen overnight.

Are you a subscriber to Liz Truss' deep state theory?

Sure, FPTP and all that.

It won’t be changed before the next election.

What could happen, though, is pressure be brought to bear on the Labour top brass to make them realise that the rights of women need to be safeguarded.

Are you or other Labour Party activists doing this? Who’s making them see that this is important?

Yes to all of those. They’re on my wish list too.

It’s not an either/or though. They need to do those things AND make sure they are safeguarding women and girls.

As has been stated on here ad nauseam, how do you even do those other things if you a) can’t define a woman as a biological one and b) allow harm to women from having their safe spaces and protections eroded by including some men in them?

It is so very, very basic to, as a fundamental principle, safeguard women’s rights. Why the fuck won’t they commit to this?

I am sure that the Labour top brass are very well aware that the needs of, women, children and indeed men need to be safeguarded.

Those needs include but are not limited to, prompt access to appropriate healthcare when required. A functioning criminal justice system. For children a functioning and safe school system. A functioning social care system. A healthy environment to live in.

All of this costs money and unfortunately the current government has chosen to spend the country's wealth on enriching their mates (who one should note already have far more money than they will need in their lifetime) instead of investing for the future of all in the country.

Each of Labour's plans will take a small but important step to safeguard those in need which should be applauded.

Labour activists

Many posters on here have stated they are floating voters, just not single issue voters.

Doing the things I listed will safeguard women and children.

I don’t even know what that means. Can anyone explain it to me?

What have the Tories done in 14 years ? I keep asking this

It is But Tony Blair's fault that the Tories don't have anything positive to tell us about for their 14 years in government.

They have undertaken many actions that have put at risk, women, children (and men).

For example the closure of sure start centres.

Oh right. I’m afraid the logic of that eludes me. Clearly I’m less intelligent than I thought I was.

Logic?

I think it is something about the 'good old days'.

I'd rather have more single mothers than women staying in toxic and/or violent relationships with shitty men. These women need support to be able to work and provide for their children, and the non-resident parents (mostly men but not all) should have to face more enforcement for not paying for their children. Traditional social values have done women no favours at all.

Yes, but WHY do you keep asking this of people who aren’t Tory voters or anything to do with the Tory party? What on earth are you hoping to learn?

Stop doing this tedious thing of batting back any criticism of the Labour Party with whataboutery about the Tories like a 7 year old in the playground, and ENGAGE with the actual sodding question.

There are disgruntled lefties who are dying to vote Labour and can’t because of this issue. You can try and write them off in your head as Tories if you like. I guess it means you don’t have to do any hard thinking and can go back to taking comfort in the idea we’re all just wrongheaded/the enemy. But it doesn’t get us anywhere, does it?

Why won’t Labour unequivocally commit to safeguarding women and girls? We so want them to. Then we could vote for them. It’s so,so simple.

Why won’t they do it?