To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

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Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

Will you at least vote GTTO?

Otherwise you might as well vote Tory and there won't be any reason for them to change either.

Dodds is NOT clearly setting out that safe spaces will be preserved for biological women only.

She and Starmer are trying to fudge the issue, thinking they're being clever and able to please both sides by using slippery barrister-speak and hoping we don't notice.

While they're still talking about 'all the women', as they did a few days ago, we know they are not committing to safeguarding women at all.

They need to be clear they will safeguard biological women and girls. Then they will get our vote. Simple.

Why won't they do this?

I won't be helping Labour while they're trying to bend me over and shaft me.

They should be trying to help me.

@zendeveloper wow how very smug!

Perhaps they have accurately judged that it isn't a priority for most of the electorate.

So you won't vote to GTTO and will accept another 5 years of the Tories mulling it over?

Possibly, though the Tories clearly think it's a vote winner.

Maybe if Labour are thinking they'll get away with selling women down the river they are banking on:

a) a proportion of men not giving a shit about women;
b) a proportion of men actively thinking something that shafts women is a positive and is hence a vote-winner;

c) a proportion of women being oblivious to the issue because they're not on Twitter, MN etc (my 70 plus mother would fall into this category); and
d) a proportion of women being starry-eyed about an image of themselves/ an identity tied up in being oh-so-kind and virtuous and thus willing to sell themselves down the river (not fully realising the consequences).

So perhaps they think they're in the clear because - as you say - it's not a priority for the electorate.

But even if the above is true, I don't see any virtue or anything admirable in a party that would be so cynical and would act counter to the interests of half the population. So it's not a party I find attractive in its current guise.

Possibly, though the Tories clearly think it's a vote winner.

Do they? They’re keeping very quiet on the subject.

The Tories have had 14 years to do something - why haven’t they ?

The Tories have had 14 years to do something - why haven’t they ?

It's the question nobody wants to answer.

Ay-MEN

Nail. Head.

No, I think the Tories are desperate.

I think Labour have other more pressing matters to think about and don't need to be distracted by this even if the Tories try to stoke it up to appeal to a minority of single issue voters.

No they don't do they. Funny that. I see the GC feminists intending to vote Conservative have been a bit quiet on Philip Davies and Christopher Chope as well and their attitudes and behaviour being endorsed by the Prime Minister.

So their plan to simplify the gender recognition process must also be a distraction then? They should probably drop it and focus on more pressing issues I guess?

That's not what I said. They don't need to make any further commitments when there are more pressing priorities in the eyes of the electorate.

And they certainly don't need to get into competition with the Tories' desperate attempts to appeal to a minority when they're well ahead in the polls. Most of the electorate simply don't put this first and foremost

Is it that you feel at home under the Tories as it reminds you of when you are growing up where a greedy few took all the wealth, were corrupt and insisted for the greater good that the rest lived in abject poverty?

@ilovesooty
The manifestos are yet to be written. If, as you say gender is an unimportant issue that no one cares about, then it can be left out entirely. If they choose to include pledges such as modernising the GRC process then clearly the party feel it IS actually an important topic and must be worthy of debate.

While I accept that point, they certainly don't have to make the sort of commitment that the GC single issue voters are asking for, either now or at the manifesto stage.

Is that the same Orban who has been doing everything he can to block EU aid to Ukraine?

Is that the same Orban who is reducing women's rights?

What is it @Username947531 about Reform that makes your conscience want you to vote for them?

Is it the way that the person who bank rolls them has today tried to blackmail an MP?

I agree with their policies. I don't agree with the policies of the other parties.

Their policies are uncosted pipe dreams.

The Tories repeatedly have acted in ways that go against the interests of far more than 50% of the population...

If those policies appeal to you you are of course free to exercise your vote accordingly. They might even come second in a few seats where voters are racist, homophobic and spend their time complaining about "woke".

They aren't likely to get any MPs and statistically will cause damage to the Tories.

And you are comfortable with their leader trying to blackmail an MP today?