To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

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Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

I can't in good conscience vote Tory anymore. However, I agree with your points OP. I'll be voting Reform.

@snowbird21 am I to assume that your Tory candidate told you that a woman is an adult human female and that was enough for you to say "OK you've got my vote then"?

Why vote Tory? Why not SDP or Reform UK? Its not as if you can trust the Tories on this or anything else.

The Tories quite like Hungary it seems

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-natcon-viktor-orban-b2519609.html

The safeguarding of my daughter and vulnerable girls and women is more important than anything else to me.

Ah yes, it's all about "safeguarding". Safeguarding them from Trans people you mean? Not safeguarding their health (since the Tories are destroying the NHS), or safeguarding them from Domestic Abuse (since the Tories have cut DA services to the bone) or safeguarding them from pretty much any of the many, many other risks that exist to the wellbeing of women in our society?

As for your concern about "vulnerable girls", again you presumably think Trans people are the only thing rendering them vulnerable since Education, early years services, social care, specialist mental health services, youth services, substance misuse services and every other service that exists to protect vulnerable children has been decimated over the last 14 years. Not to mention the appalling rise in child poverty and homlessness that the Tories have allowed to happen and taken no steps to address. These are all pressing safeguarding issues that have been made increasingly difficult to address since the Tories came to power.

As someone who has made the actual safeguarding of children their lifes work I find it a bit rich when people who are happy to turn a blind eye to 99% of the risks to vulnerable girls claim that "safeguarding" is their number one priority because it fits their single-issue agenda.

@BIWI
In fact, there's not one single mention of 'women' in the Conservative manifesto.
I don't think the Conservative's have released their manifesto have they? Manifestos are normally released after a GE has been called.

What you linked to is a page with some plans around the economy.

I know that! But I was Googling Conservative, and 'Conservative Manifesto 2024' is what came up. It's the closest thing we have so far ...

... and similarly, for the one I linked to from Labour.

Well said.

Sure, but it doesn't really support your point about their manifesto not mentioning women when: A) it's not their manifesto, B) it's about the economy not social issues, and C) it does actually mention women twice.

So if Labour are so keen to get into power and fight for women and girls in the areas you mention, why not make a clear commitment to safeguarding the rights of women and girls? It would be very easy to do.

Then we’ll be able to vote for them. As we would dearly love to.

Yep. It's a cold day in hell before I ever put a cross in that box.

Voting on a single issue can make sense if you think that the two main parties will either perform similarly on the big elections issues like economy, health & education or you think the party that supports your single issue position will actually perform better.

Even Owen Jones has quit the Labour party because he thinks there isn't a big difference between them and the conservatives currently. I don't necessarily agree with him on that but I don't think people can claim that this is an exclusively right wing viewpoint.

(A) Yes, it's not their manifesto (despite Google giving that as their search 'phrase' (for both parties) - however, it's all we have so far.

And (B) it's very interesting that it doesn't focus on social issues, isn't it? Just on the money.

(C)You're quite right - it does mention women; both times I missed that. So to correct my own post:

A number of workers, disproportionately women, who earn between £10,000 and £12,500 have been missing out on pension benefits because of a loophole affecting people with net pay pension schemes.

and

We are proud of the work we have done to support entrepreneurship and want to see more entrepreneurs, including women and those from BAME backgrounds.

Although I'd argue that neither of these are really focusing on women's issues. The pension issue has been known about for a long time, and it's only because of the recent WASPI court case that anyone in government is talking about doing anything - but the DWP have apparently said they won't be paying compensation

see here

Great stuff! Every vote that isn't Tory helps Labour.

No it's not "interesting" that it doesn't focus on social issues, any more than it's interesting that the cooking instructions for a pot noodle don't mention Kierkegaard. It's a page about the economy, so it talks about the economy.

I'm sure it is. I'm voting according to my conscience. Not tactically.

I think we should all vote for anyone other than the Tory's.

No 😊

So @ATerrorofLeftovers do you agree that we need to recognise that sex and gender are different and make sure that spaces for biological women are defended? That is basically what Dodds has said, but it doesn't seem to be enough for some GC women.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

So if they don't make the clear commitment you want, what will you do?

Stick with the Tories in the hope that they will finally make these commitments, they had 14 years of mulling it over

Conscience and Reform UK are unlikely bedfellows.

I won’t vote Tory.

But I won’t vote Labour either. I’m not going to let them take me for a mug. I’m not going to vote against my own interests, or those of my DD.

While women hold their nose and vote for Labour anyway, they get away with centring men and taking away women’s rights. There’s no reason for them to change while you vote for them anyway! I’m not voting for that. Fuck that.

If Labour make a clear and unequivocal manifesto pledge to safeguard women’s rights and safe space and make it clear this means biological women only, then I will be satisfied and vote for them.

It isn’t difficult.