To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

[Hurrydash]

Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

She was a community outreach specialist, so probably somewhere on the boundary between social and health care. OK, point taken. I had no idea the views are so different between the healthcare and social care sectors - isn't this a part of the problem then too, that neighbouring sectors have such different views on what is the best way forward?

Street outreach? Substance misuse? Mental health? Which area does your friend work in?

Who said they have such differing views? We don’t know, do we? The link you posted is three years old, I work in a different sector, I explained I don’t know enough health care workers to determine how they will choose to vote.

I would be very surprised if anyone in healthcare, especially frontline staff, who worked through the pandemic and have seen first hand what has happened to the NHS under our current government would vote them in again, but I may be mistaken. A doctor has just posted with the same view as me, maybe ask them how their colleagues are going to vote?

Not going to happen I'm afraid. Most women in this country realise that the Tories have ruined civilised society and will vote them out at the next GE. It'll be a Labour landslide and Tories will be rightly insignificant.
It's just a shame that they're preparing for opposition by implementing the most destruction they possibly can before they're voted out. It won't be easy for Labour at all, as they will inherit a shitshow.
Unlike the last time the Tories were voted out because at least John Major, Ken Clarke etc had a social conscience and had the best interests of the country at heart. This vile shower only care about themselves. The last 3 prime ministers clearly only wanted to have the role on their CV so they could cash in afterwards. Tories out.

Shame to Tories killed so many women with their austerity programme. They could have had quite a lot more female votes there if they'd all done as you asked.

She doesn't work in the area for the last couple of years. It was something to do with maternity services, I think, but she seemed to have worked with quite high risk population in terms of substance abuse and criminality. Not a close friend, just a neighbour - and she's 20 years older than me, so her frontline working days were probably in a different environment.

This is the best and most recent source I could find. People also can declare one thing, especially if there is a view that is considered more publicly acceptable, and then vote differently though.

The country is in a total mess. It is grubby, towns have boarded up shops, and public services are on the last gasp. I'm paying more tax for this crap outcome than I ever did before.

I was out this weekend with one Conservative who thought things were okay. They are old, have a lot of money, do not go out much and have a very nice house in the country. From their perspective things probably did seem ok. But everyone else in the room seemed to be very bitter about the lack of money, property costs, schooling and jobs.

I'm voting Labour. The UK has big problems.

especially if there is a view that is considered more publicly acceptable
@zendeveloper have you considered why a particular view might be more positively viewed by the public?

There might be multiple reasons for that - the public opinion is so easily influenced by propaganda. Look at the US with Trump and MAGA. Look at Russia and the rise of imperialism. Same people as everywhere else.
In short, I would not necessarily consider the public opinion as the ultimate indicator of truth.

You were referring to the phenomenon of the shy Tory. The British media is overwhelmingly right leaning/fully right wing so it’s unlikely to be because of propaganda. There’s no corresponding shy Labour vote. This would seem to me to indicate that most people see that agreeing with Tories is something which makes them look bad in some way…

@zendeveloper this is not about public opinion, these are our lived experiences of living for decades/being born in this country, and seeing the massive decline in everything. Please just go away now and stop thwarting this thread from every perceivable angle. You are tone deaf.

This is absolutely right. I don't really think saying "I turned up in 2010" and I've given my tuppence is quite comparable to those of us who have lived and invested in the UK for generations. It's an outside perspective but a limited one

Right, ok - apologies for disrupting this purebred native thread with unwelcome thoughts. I hope it works out for you in the way you want.

purebred native

WTAF?!

Get over it @zendeveloper - you give a limited perspective and don't like it when others have a bit of hinterland in terms of their life here. Nothing purebred about it, though you seen pretty touchy about your status

Purebred native thread? Are you trying to be offensive?

It's so she can't be limited. Obviously

I’m not a purebred native. I’m actually a muggle.

Then and only then will the entitled deadwood cease to be the burden of the taxpayer.

Well this entitled deadwood would be very happy to go off to a private company and earn more money for fewer hours.

Shame about all the cancer patients who can't afford private healthcare who will die. But then guess it's their own fault for not working hard enough to earn a high salary hey?

@Hurrydash the SDP and Reform UK have a consistent TWANW stance, so you could vote for them if you are a single issue voter.

The Tories are not to be trusted, they are Anti-women, they are incompetent, corrupt liars and they are dead in the water come the next GE.🤷‍♀️

I'm not purebred native either, I came here in 1997 (and I also have no vote because my country doesn't allow dual nationality). So I arrived when the Blair government came in and brought in SureStart, put funding into the NHS, introduced the minimum wage, put money into education. I've seen the contrast with what the Tories have done since 2010.

And again, as the parent of two disabled young adults, I want the Tories to face electoral annihilation. I hope that out of the ashes we'll get a sensible centre right party (with whom I will still mostly disagree) of the kind that John Major and Ken Clarke and even Maggie Thatcher used to belong to.

It takes a real lack of morals and human decency to vote for the current crop of Westminster Tories.

I agree.
I never voted tory in my life but long for politicians like John Major to come back and rescue the Tory Party from the corruption, lies and incompetence that have taken over.

What the hell do you mean? What is a purebred native?

Major was my MP - and I have to say a damn good one too. Certainly a lot better than his successor. In the last few years he’s been highly critical of this iteration of Tories, if he was up for election now I’d vote for him. And I’ve never voted Tory in my life.

Purebred native? What the actual fuck?

I have to say that I am considering voting Tory and have never Tory before due to the gender issue which to me is so important. I was very pro new labour under Blair, I didn't vote for Jeremy Corbyn or Boris Johnson as I felt neither option any good. I an upset that I don't feel confident in Keir Stamer regarding the gender issue and there is only Tory who at the moment reflect my view.