To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

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Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

Err.. this was quite unexpected. What makes you even ask?

And I counteracted it with other numbers - that the absolute poverty levels have decreased since 2010, that I got absolutely zero response to apart from statements that people just don't trust the DWP data

Numbers that were part of a Tory politician’s schtick. No comment from you on UNICEF’s independent data apart from a misinterpretation.

I don't have a vote either but happy to promote GTTO

(The rest of my household do have a vote)

The DWP never cooks the books. Oh no, never.

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/07/19/the-dwp-was-just-caught-red-handed-fiddling-benefit-sanctions-figu

The whole DWP is a Tory's politician's schtick?

🥰 My pleasure.

Fair enough 😄

They iherited them mosty, that's why they've spent the last 14 years doing their best to dilute and destroy them wherever they can.

Funny thing is the vast majority of those on the right are very happy to embrace socialism when it benefits them, in fact oftentimes they demand it.

Hell even the things you claim need improved / worked on (controlling immigration, defence spending, etc) are at least partially socialist in their nature (going by the supposed reasons given by the right anyway).

The link you used as evidence went straight to a politician’ schtick. I don’t trust Tory politicians, they lie as a matter of course.

You reminded me for a while of another poster on MN who is an actuary. But thinking about it, that poster always predicts the UK will go bust, so obviously not you! Apologies.

OK - fair enough, I will not derail the thread anymore. Had no idea that there is a set of acceptable views, and everything else is perceived as derailment.

It's not about "one set of views being acceptable" at all, it's that the views you are expressing are not relevant to the topic of the actual thread. As has already been explained to you.

I work in a similar area - but clearly am not speaking here in my professional capacity. For the avoidance of doubt, I don't think the UK will go bust. Quite the opposite - I am somewhat disappointed that people don't see the good things about the country.

I think it is the opposite @zendeveloper People do see what is (or was) good about the UK but are aghast at how the Tories have destroyed those good things.

"I am somewhat disappointed that people don't see the good things about the country."

I find this pretty offensive. I don't think aspiring to better public services/social care/transport/housing means I am in any way unpatriotic.

OK - I hope you enjoy the rest of the discussion then. I think I was quite open that I have limited skin in this game anyway - I don't vote and in case of a bad (from my perspective) outcome I have a plan B that can be put into action within the next decade.

People do see the good things but also the bad things and want to improve them.

I am sorry I made you feel offended, was not the intention.

Exactly this. People are entitled to be critical of those that Govern them in a democracy and it does not mean they don't love their country.

While the two can be closely linked, many social care jobs involve working closely with the most vulnerable members of society. While health care professionals will also work with vulnerable people, generally speaking their involvement tends to be shorter term and focused on a health aspect.

Even so, that statistic shows that the majority of healthcare workers don’t vote conservative, doesn’t it?

Yes - but it is also very far away from "I have never in my life met anyone in this area who votes that way, so your friend is probably imaginary". Because there is clearly a very significant proportion of people who do.

That link is from 2021, things have changed since then

By your own admission, your statistics are related to health care - I have explained I work in social care.

You said your friend works in a similar role, I assumed you meant social care but for clarity, I know of not one person in SOCIAL care that intends to vote Conservative.

I would be surprised if many frontline health care workers were voting Tory, but I don’t know enough of them to have any anecdotal evidence.

Thank you, I didn’t realise the link was 3 years old.

I'm a doctor in the NHS.

The tories have been responsible for everything that has gone wrong in the NHS in the last 14 years and promote the blame being put on managers, fat people, disabled people etc etc for daring to use the service that they pay for.

Vote those tossers in again and you'll get the broken country you all deserve.