To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

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Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

I won't be doing that because I don't vote on single issues. HTH.

I won’t be voting Tory. Definitely not.
I struggle to imagine how any sane person could to be honest.

And I don’t blame those who voted for them in their ‘hug a hoody’ PR spin days. But I think we’ve seen very clearly that they don’t care about public services or anyone who isn’t a multimillionaire.

You don't need to worry. Labour is barely left of centre. Was the Blair/Brown era before you came here?

To the poster who accused me of hyperbole on the Welsh 20 mph speed limit.
Cyclists can do way more than that.
Bolt had been recorded running in excess of 27 mph. Assuming there are some runners in Wales are 75% as quick then they could overtake a car doing 20. How embarrassing is that?

The residential street I live on in England, with no footpath which 100s (possibly 1000s since the weather is nice) of people will walk up today is deristricted, the national speed limit applies. The local residents have put up lots 20mph signs on their fences etc. Oddly most people stick to 20mph, its almost as if it is a sensible speed in a residential area.

It’s like a broken record. There are far, far more important things that need addressing than the bloody trans non-argument. Tories don’t give a shit about it, they’re pandering to all ‘othering’ praying bigotry will tip the balance.

Yes, Brown time was just before I came. I am far from an expert in politics, but many statements from Labour raise my shackles and do sound painfully familiar. At least they got rid of the Corbyn guy, but it looks like his team mostly stayed?

I wanted to see what is officially in their manifesto, but could not find anything concrete beyond some quite vague "mission statements" promising to do all the good things and not to do all the bad things. At least the Conservatives are a known entity, and I am mostly ok with them.

Yes. Sorry I meant most said YABU. Rubbish at typing as well as apps.

Ah don't worry, I am not allowed to vote, so won't ruin the result. Just allowed to pay a six digit amount in tax, which is somehow ok despite the bonkers views I hold.

Manifestos aren't released until a General Election is called.

What have the Tories done to safeguard the position of women ?

At least the Conservatives are a known entity, and I am mostly ok with them

Well, if you are lucky enough to earn a salary that you pay a six figure amount of tax on, I suspect you will not have suffered much from Tory austerity policies.

Well, yes, it all was just "luck", absolutely no effort involved at all. Like a lottery win.

This statement pretty much indicates my issues with the leftist views.

Please could someone come up with a better alternative than we’ll vote Labour because the Tories are so shit we’ll take restrictions on freedom of speech on the chin?

What are you bollocking on about? You've started 2 threads telling everyone to vote for the Tories, who want to ban peaceful protests,! So stop pretending you give a flying fuck about freedom of speech because you don't.

A Labour Government wouldn't be a threat to my freedom of speech. What is it that you're so desperate to say that you think will have you prosecuted under a Labour Government? I think we can guess.

The manifestos haven’t been released yet, how could you read them?

You are ok with the conservatives? What exactly are you “ok” with?

Do you think people who don’t earn 6 figures don’t work hard?

That the difference between the two groups is purely hard work?

I absolutely knew you would say something like this in response!

Millions of people work hard. Not every profession pays as well as yours. Luck may not have got you where you are now, but you are very, very fortunate to earn such a huge amount of money.

You're mostly OK with the fact that the Conservatives have trashed the economy, consistently lied to you, funnelled lucrative contracts to their mates, given knighthoods to people who donate to them, put raw sewage into our rivers and coastline, run the NHS and education right down, left vulnerable and disabled people without support, defunded the police and rescue services, reduced basic human rights, and achieved a justice system which takes so long to bring cases to trial that criminals get off? Why? No matter how comfortably off you may be, sooner or later all of that can and probably will affect you directly or indirectly.

This is absolutely not what I said, but thank you for continuing illustrating the point so well.

Never voting Tory. Not in a million years.

Are you really so in need of validation? OK, congratulations on your wealth, well done you. But you've completely missed the poster's point. No one is assuming there was no effort involved in you being wealthy, she was just saying that you're fortunate to not have been impacted by the Tories austerity policies that have pushed many people who were just about managing into poverty, and those who were already struggling into destitution and homelessness. It's easy for you to be "mostly ok" with the Tories if you're doing well, but the alarming rise in child poverty that has happened under their watch shouldn't be ok with anybody.

Although incidentally, we are governed largely by people who have inherited wealth through no effort whatsoever and have only ever known a life of great privilege, hence their callous disregard for the struggles of those impacted by their economic policy, and like it or not that is a problem.

DH and I both work extremely hard but I still consider us lucky not have been impacted by the COL crisis. I'm also smug enough to think that there aren't people out there working as hard or harder who haven't been as lucky. So even though we'd probably be financially better off under the Tories hell will freeze over before I vote for them. Just because me and mine are "mostly ok" that doesn't mean I'm ok with what is happening to other people.

I think it is you that is illustrating exactly what sort of person you are.

In fact, you summed it up pretty well when you said you were ok with the Tories.

You were correct about one thing though, knowing very little about politics.

I do not see the same. I see a functional society with a largely fair tax system, equal access to justice for everyone, reasonable and free education at the basic level for everyone (my children are attending a free state school, although I of course supplement where needed). The NHS is a mess because it is an outdated system that doesn't work anymore in the modern world, and keeping it for sentimental reasons is plainly stupid.

There are things that can be improved, for sure. Illegal immigration, childcare funding, defence spending, STEM education. There have been some attempts to address these, and yes they are slower than intended.

But as I said, you are safe from my views, I do not vote, no need for an offence that someone dares to have a different opinion. If Britain shifts in the left direction, I will hardly take to the streets lol - probably will vote with my feet once the children are independent enough, because I think it will be the beginning of the end for the country.

See, this is exactly the view I mean. YOU DO NOT THINK THE SAME WAY THAT I DO THEREFORE YOU ARE CAPITALIST TORY SCUM!!! Very sad.