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For DH to insist on vaginal birth not ceasarean

811 replies

Anguish · 27/03/2024 12:57

Asking for a friend. Why would he care either way? She has a low pain tolerance and doesn't want to experience the most painful thing that can happen to a woman.

EDIT: He's absolutely lovely and basically a perfect partner in every conceivable way, which is why it's slightly out of character.

OP posts:
Yulona · 28/03/2024 08:18

I think most people with bad experience of c sections seem to be talking about EMCS.

Lelophants · 28/03/2024 08:19

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 28/03/2024 07:42

Tbf she’s not misinformed - it is major abdominal surgery and has a number of risks - organ damage, sepsis, to name a couple.
vaginal births also come with risks, of course, they’re not mutually exclusive.

the whole thing is medieval. If men were the ones giving birth we would’ve come up with a way to grow babies in pods and done away with the whole thing.

Everyone I know who’ve had longterm issues after birth have done after a vaginal birth. I’ve got a little scar and nothing else.

Lelophants · 28/03/2024 08:19

Yulona · 28/03/2024 08:18

I think most people with bad experience of c sections seem to be talking about EMCS.

I agree

Lelophants · 28/03/2024 08:21

Wait people on here think a c section causes autism? 😂 good grief

Well id rather that than the births I went through.

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 28/03/2024 08:22

Yulona · 28/03/2024 08:18

I think most people with bad experience of c sections seem to be talking about EMCS.

Tricky to get an elective if you don’t have any prior risks. They’ll say you have a right to request an elective but the reality is not so considerate of the mother’s wishes

Newsenmum · 28/03/2024 08:27

Samlewis96 · 27/03/2024 19:52

Like with my eldest DD after 42 hours of contractions. They tried to bully my 19 year old self into a CS . I steadfastly refused to sign the consent form

After a horrendous labour surely you’d want the baby out? And to have lovely pain free birth
I was the opposite. Finally couldn’t feel anything and got to just lie there 😂 and not die

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 28/03/2024 08:27

Lelophants · 28/03/2024 08:19

Everyone I know who’ve had longterm issues after birth have done after a vaginal birth. I’ve got a little scar and nothing else.

Yes, as I said, not mutually exclusive.

I almost died during my CS. Needed CPR so maybe I can say I did die for a short while? Yet I’ll have another one if I have another child. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Newsenmum · 28/03/2024 08:28

Anyway this shows us that there are so many different views and experiences. And the woman gets to have the final say!

Newsenmum · 28/03/2024 08:29

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 28/03/2024 08:22

Tricky to get an elective if you don’t have any prior risks. They’ll say you have a right to request an elective but the reality is not so considerate of the mother’s wishes

It’s changed. They’re really good with it now (at least in my hospital).

Justkeeepswimming · 28/03/2024 08:50

Lelophants · 28/03/2024 08:21

Wait people on here think a c section causes autism? 😂 good grief

Well id rather that than the births I went through.

@Lelophants

Are you from a science background or do you have medical qualifications??

The theory is that it may contribute to the development of autism. Theories already outlined.

Not laughable. And believe me a difficult birth is preferable to having to be a full time carer. Many have to do so until the child is in adulthood.

It is 2-3 decades+ worth of difficulty vs maximum a few days difficulty.

I do wish I had been able to have a VB because it is hard to see my child suffer and know that the caesarean may have contributed.

TrudyProud · 28/03/2024 08:52

@Changeusernameseeusernamehistory not tricky at all. Just have to tell the midwife that's what you want and she/he has to refer you to the consultant.

Justkeeepswimming · 28/03/2024 08:54

From all the posts you can see there are horror stories for CS and horror stories for VB.

One thing everyone does conclusively agree on is that the father does not get a say in what happens to the mother’s body.

Lelophants · 28/03/2024 09:29

Justkeeepswimming · 28/03/2024 08:50

@Lelophants

Are you from a science background or do you have medical qualifications??

The theory is that it may contribute to the development of autism. Theories already outlined.

Not laughable. And believe me a difficult birth is preferable to having to be a full time carer. Many have to do so until the child is in adulthood.

It is 2-3 decades+ worth of difficulty vs maximum a few days difficulty.

I do wish I had been able to have a VB because it is hard to see my child suffer and know that the caesarean may have contributed.

My son is autistic thanks. 👍 I was in labour for a week and could have died. Pretty sure if anything ‘caused’ it then it would be the labour, not the decent bit at the end.

Lelophants · 28/03/2024 09:31

Also from what I read @Justkeeepswimming this wasn’t true of elective sections but emergency. So completely irrelevant to the op’s post.

MeinKraft · 28/03/2024 09:50

thebestinterest · 28/03/2024 00:02

She should keep an open mind. Csections are MAJOR surgery. I don’t understand why women voluntarily elect to have them.

Because it's sometimes safer for the baby, when you have a big baby and shoulder dystocia is a higher risk or polyhydramnios and at risk of cord prolapse for example.

SplitFountainPen · 28/03/2024 09:52

He's probably concerned for her health, it's major surgery and has worse outcomes for mum and baby.
However, other than giving advice and his opinion it's ultimately her choice which he needs to respect.

Justkeeepswimming · 28/03/2024 09:53

Lelophants · 28/03/2024 09:31

Also from what I read @Justkeeepswimming this wasn’t true of elective sections but emergency. So completely irrelevant to the op’s post.

Funny, from what I’ve read there is no statistically significant difference between emergency and planned caesarean and ASD risk.

I’m by no means an expert, but I do have some background in immunology and neurobiology which is probably why I believe there is some contribution

Ultimately, as is well documented and you will know, causation is a combination of environmental and genetic factors.

SplitFountainPen · 28/03/2024 09:53

MeinKraft · 28/03/2024 09:50

Because it's sometimes safer for the baby, when you have a big baby and shoulder dystocia is a higher risk or polyhydramnios and at risk of cord prolapse for example.

Those situations are for medical reasons not voluntarily opting for one

Justkeeepswimming · 28/03/2024 09:58

@Lelophants

Ps for both you and I caesarean was absolutely necessary and saved our lives and our children.

My point is if the caesarean is not medically necessary, why would you have it when the recovery time and risks are greater for Mum, and it has been linked to negative health outcomes for baby.

For me I obviously don’t have the choice anymore as too risky for future vaginal births, but if I did have the choice I wouldn’t take it. However everyone will have their own point of view and that has to be respected.

LucyOriellsHat · 28/03/2024 10:08

Justkeeepswimming · 28/03/2024 09:58

@Lelophants

Ps for both you and I caesarean was absolutely necessary and saved our lives and our children.

My point is if the caesarean is not medically necessary, why would you have it when the recovery time and risks are greater for Mum, and it has been linked to negative health outcomes for baby.

For me I obviously don’t have the choice anymore as too risky for future vaginal births, but if I did have the choice I wouldn’t take it. However everyone will have their own point of view and that has to be respected.

Because for me I had a horrendous vaginal birth and didn't want to repeat it. C section wasn't medically necessary but by far the preferable option for me.

cherish123 · 28/03/2024 10:29

Your decision (not his) but I would not voluntarily have a caesarean unless there is a medical reason.

Justkeeepswimming · 28/03/2024 10:52

LucyOriellsHat · 28/03/2024 10:08

Because for me I had a horrendous vaginal birth and didn't want to repeat it. C section wasn't medically necessary but by far the preferable option for me.

@LucyOriellsHat

That is totally acceptable - if you had a traumatic birth previously and are liable to get extremely distressed going through VB again then caesarean is the best option.

I’m talking about someone who is 100% for and health with no trauma/ptsd/mental health issues.

But regardless, if someone decides to go ahead with no medical need that is their decision to pay for it or to push for it via nhs.

LuckySantangelo35 · 28/03/2024 11:18

At the end of the day, it’s the choice of the woman who is pregnant how she wants to give birth.

END OF

MoonWoman69 · 28/03/2024 11:21

Bugger it! I vote that all women, from now on, must lay eggs... Cuts out all the faff... That's my contribution for the day, I thangyou! 😁

Newsenmum · 28/03/2024 11:24

LucyOriellsHat · 28/03/2024 10:08

Because for me I had a horrendous vaginal birth and didn't want to repeat it. C section wasn't medically necessary but by far the preferable option for me.

This.