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Fawning/obsessing over people you don't know

142 replies

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 12:41

Why? Just why? I don't need to name names as it's bloody everywhere!

Of course it's sad when ANYONE is unwell or experiences something stressful, but why do strangers become so occupied with it?

Even as a teen I never understood the fan base that pop bands etc would get, sure I enjoyed the music, but would always look on with bemusement at the obsession. When I see people screaming, crying at people, they don't know, I just do not get it.

Especially when these same people are able to access resources the majority of us could only dream of! At the same time, millions of people suffer/die because of the same issue, but are simply born to the 'wrong' family. So to then adorn the people who have everything with more adoration/concern - is beyond crazy to me.

So, am I being a grumpy git? (Likely) or do you also think for god sakes get a grip!

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clairelouwho · 24/03/2024 13:43

User56785 · 24/03/2024 13:32

It's obvious who you were referring to, though. You hardly did any work to hide it and would have been better off just coming out with it instead of half-arsing dressing it up

I don't see what this has to do with the actual debate though. She knows it was obvious. Confused

Because it's pointless referencing someone, making it blatantly obvious who it is but then making a vague attempt to dress it up instead of just naming the person.

It's tedious. It's not as if it's some secret is it?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 24/03/2024 13:52

clairelouwho · 24/03/2024 13:16

It's obvious who you were referring to, though. You hardly did any work to hide it and would have been better off just coming out with it instead of half-arsing dressing it up.

I don't agree but then I'm not in the 'fawning' group so I wouldn't really. The media hyping about the royal family is ridiculous and, instead of grown women thinking/saying "Poor woman, wish her a quick recovery!", some of them speculate and make some really spiteful accusations, in public and on this forum in particular about affairs, pregnancy, ugh. Anybody who suggests that they're being OTT is quickly rounded on and shouted down.

OP isn't wrong. If adults behave like this, about any 'celeb' then that's something that's lacking in them and it's not something that others would or should tolerate without question or comment. I never mention that I read or post on MN, there's a stigma.

baileybrosbuildingandloan · 24/03/2024 13:52

You're being very unreasonable and judgemental.

You may not feel that way, but others do.

Not your job to tell them how to feel.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 24/03/2024 13:53

Not your job either, baileybrosbuildngandloan, it's a public forum and right to speak swings both ways.

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 13:54

@clairelouwho

It's ironic that you're remaining at this level. Dig deeper - why do people put other people on a pedestal? How does it serve them?

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ThaMiSporsail · 24/03/2024 13:55

ItsNotAPoolBasedHoliday · 24/03/2024 13:07

But that's not what the OP is saying. Showing empathy is a different thing from the behaviour of some people.

It's the hysteria and things like this picture that the OP means.

All that's missing is Paddington.

Yanbu, OP. It's both bonkers an mystifying.

I love a particular band whose singer, over the years, has become known for his dodgy views. I can listen to their music quite happily while acknowledging that he's a bit of a dickhead. However he has a hardcore of fans who think he can do no wrong and that he is a misunderstood victim of the media/free thinker/truth teller blah blah and actually send death threats to anyone who suggests that no, he's just a tosser. They are obsessed with him and his every word. These are middle aged people, not kids. It's bananas.

HeddaGarbled · 24/03/2024 14:01

Oh, what harm does it do you? So sneerily superior. There’s been a lot lot worse behaviour during this episode than a bit of sentimentality.

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 14:02

I'm wondering whether those who go above and beyond the baseline of 'how sad' and then move on with their day, could share why they go above and beyond this for strangers? Why the focus?

I think we can establish that there is a shared empathy, but then it goes in different directions.

Is there a willingness to accept the presence of inequity? And how going above and beyond only serves to protect this?

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Delphina17 · 24/03/2024 14:03

Absolutely agree, OP. People are so bizarre.

@ItsNotAPoolBasedHoliday omg that picture made me nauseous. Who has time for that?!

flutterby1 · 24/03/2024 14:06

Yes, It drives me mad, like they are special or given more importance , value and standing than other human beings. Weird sycophantic fawning of the privileged. I'm more concerned with my immediate families health thanks .

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 14:08

So far I've had two camps. Those who agree and those that get defensive. Can the latter group explain why? Are you the type of person to go above and beyond?

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 14:09

flutterby1 · 24/03/2024 14:06

Yes, It drives me mad, like they are special or given more importance , value and standing than other human beings. Weird sycophantic fawning of the privileged. I'm more concerned with my immediate families health thanks .

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 14:10

Delphina17 · 24/03/2024 14:03

Absolutely agree, OP. People are so bizarre.

@ItsNotAPoolBasedHoliday omg that picture made me nauseous. Who has time for that?!

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fiskalita · 24/03/2024 14:10

Its projection I think. The outpouring of grief when Diana died is a good example. Apart from the people who knew and loved her I think the grief stricken wanted to pour out their sadnesses and it gave them license. In short - Brits are repressed and so we project our feelings, fears etc onto famous people. And who is more famous and more steadily accessible than the RF.

x2boys · 24/03/2024 14:10

EmilyTjP · 24/03/2024 13:02

YABU. Showing empathy for a young mother diagnosed with a disease isn’t fawning.

If you go.on the royal.fsmily boardx it's way beyond that even before, we knew about her diagnosis
There are daily attacks about Harry and Meghan from people who don't know them will never know them ,dissecting everything they do
And then there was then endless threads about where the princess of wales was before her diagnosis came out.
And now it has people saying they love her and are devastated for her
I wish her no harm and hopes she makes a full recovery just as I would with anybody who had been given a diagnosis.

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 14:12

fiskalita · 24/03/2024 14:10

Its projection I think. The outpouring of grief when Diana died is a good example. Apart from the people who knew and loved her I think the grief stricken wanted to pour out their sadnesses and it gave them license. In short - Brits are repressed and so we project our feelings, fears etc onto famous people. And who is more famous and more steadily accessible than the RF.

Really interesting point of view.

But then why the two camps (I know this is broad). But why do some still go above and beyond?

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Tagyoureit · 24/03/2024 14:14

Same, girls in my class going mad over take that etc and I just never got it.

Now the madness over celebs, the whole Kate situation, its bewildering, I'd hate to be on the receiving end of this.

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 14:15

@x2boys

You're right, there also the people who go above and beyond in a nasty way. I wonder why also.

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CurlyhairedAssassin · 24/03/2024 14:15

5 words:

They don't get out much.

fiskalita · 24/03/2024 14:16

I also think mass hysteria is a thing.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 24/03/2024 14:16

I think it has a huge amount to do with the need to be involved in public adoration wherever it exists. Captain Tom is a good example. The mawkishness on here when he did his garden walks and was recognised for it. The charity run by his daughter was then rightly questioned in terms of financial probity leading up until current day.

The statue of Capt Tom was sold to a private collector as neither the council nor the foundation set up in his name, wanted anything to do with it.

Where are those posters now? Issue gone and forgotten but it was SUCH and important one when there was public outpouring and lauding to be done.

It's that kind of thing that leaves me cold. Fickle, stupid behaviour which just has to be played out in public.

RosesAndHellebores · 24/03/2024 14:16

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 13:15

Again the connection. Whether the person you speak or someone else, it's bizarre.

If only the same attention was given to those who actually need it, we wouldn't have such inequity.

It is the haves and have nots, made worse by the latter only aiding the former.

To point out the queerness of parasocial behaviour does not equate to not empathising with someone's adversity. But the two are very different in how someone chooses to think and behave as a result of it.

Goodness me, are you a social science academic or did you just swallow the textbook?

I have no issue with people who have wealth beyond my imagination. They generally have a positive impact on the economy. I have a huge issue with the bitching that has gone on on social media and you seem to be using this thread to air your dissatisfaction in relation the monarchy.

The treatment has been given privately and paid for, nobody on an NHS waiting list has been disadvantaged. I have no issue with that at all. I just nobody were going through it.

I have not fawned, I never saw the need of people to swamp Buckingham Palace with flowers when the late Pricess of Wales met her end. However, neither did I see the need for some of the atrocious social media and threads on MNetbin relation to this matter.

MNet is a largely female site, comprising mostly mothers. Not a great deal has been done for feminism or equality over this.

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 14:16

CurlyhairedAssassin · 24/03/2024 14:15

5 words:

They don't get out much.

😂

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 14:17

fiskalita · 24/03/2024 14:16

I also think mass hysteria is a thing.

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 14:18

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 24/03/2024 14:16

I think it has a huge amount to do with the need to be involved in public adoration wherever it exists. Captain Tom is a good example. The mawkishness on here when he did his garden walks and was recognised for it. The charity run by his daughter was then rightly questioned in terms of financial probity leading up until current day.

The statue of Capt Tom was sold to a private collector as neither the council nor the foundation set up in his name, wanted anything to do with it.

Where are those posters now? Issue gone and forgotten but it was SUCH and important one when there was public outpouring and lauding to be done.

It's that kind of thing that leaves me cold. Fickle, stupid behaviour which just has to be played out in public.

Exactly this.

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