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Nobody's talking about the massacre in Moscow then?

139 replies

PossumintheHouse · 22/03/2024 20:27

https://news.sky.com/story/several-killed-as-gunmen-open-fire-at-concert-venue-in-moscow-blaze-reported-13100041

Over 40 dead and at least 100 injured? Obviously there's a lot going on tonight, but the lack of chat about this is surprising?

If there's another big thread and I've missed it, I hold my hands up. I can't find it.

At least 40 killed as gunmen open fire at concert venue in Moscow

Footage taken inside the auditorium shows up to four gunmen firing automatic weapons as people crouch and hide behind seats.

https://news.sky.com/story/several-killed-as-gunmen-open-fire-at-concert-venue-in-moscow-blaze-reported-13100041

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Vod · 23/03/2024 07:37

DanielGault · 23/03/2024 01:48

Just out of curiosity, why would ISIS target Russia? They're somewhat unpopular with 'the west'. What do they get out of this?

Because of what Russia has been doing in Syria. Having a mutual enemy in the West doesn't mean they're allies, and Daesh declared jihad on Russia years ago.

That said, they've claimed things they didn't do before and the Russian regime isn't averse to blowing up their own people and pretending it was someone else. But it's plausible that this was indeed Daesh and they're being truthful in claiming it.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/03/2024 07:46

OP I understand exactly what you're getting at.

Considering the response that other attacks like this have garnered, my observation from news coverage is that there's a bit of a sense of "going through the motions".

I am interested and disturbed as it is another sign of instability in the world with knock on implications.

Also people killing other people is wrong and upsetting regardless of who they are.

I also wonder if there's a bit of numbness to it all now - sort of "Oh, ISIS again....are they still at it?"

I keep an eye on world events out of curiosity mainly and because I don't like surprises. I come on MN for various reasons, sometimes light hearted, sometimes not.

It always fascinates me when posters get very heated about what we should or shouldn't be talking about, or paying attention to in the wider world. When people say they are concerned about the state of the world often the advice is to step away from news, social media and focus on one's own little bubble to protect their mental health. Which is fine of course, but unrealistic in this media driven age.

I think alot of people are in denial that things are as unstable worldwide economically and aboutthe things that are driving and feeding that instability.

People often say "Oh it's always been like this at times - it'll get better" but this overlooks the fact that we are now ruled and driven by technology that can be weaponised at any point, and not just by terrorists.

Obviously there's no point in headless chickening on a daily basis, but I'm actually in a position where I'm going to do a bit of mild prepping I think.

And I feel for those people in Moscow suffering and grieving this morning.

Begaydocrime94 · 23/03/2024 07:53

Skippythebutterfly · 22/03/2024 20:45

Most of the ‘terrorist’ atrocities in Moscow over the past few decades have been proven to be false flags, where Putin has blown up a block of flats, blames the Chechens then used it as an excuse to invade Chechnya. We’ll know if it’s a false flag if it’s blames it on overseas countries.

But yes, truly terrible, shocking scenes.

Any source, evidence or proof of this?

Workaholic99 · 23/03/2024 07:55

PossumintheHouse · 22/03/2024 20:36

I think it's pretty obvious I was talking about on this forum.

That wasn't obvious to me that ypu were only talking about mumsnet. I was about to type that the Dm and Daily express are also talking about it. 😂

GnomeDePlume · 23/03/2024 09:06

It has been alleged in previous incidents (eg the 2002 theatre attack, the 2004 Beslan school siege & massacre) that FSB agents have been involved. This doesn't mean that the Russian state instigated plots but more that they have fingers in a lot of pies but no control over them.

Yet another attack is a tragedy. It also goes to show that Russia has a lot of internal problems. The economy is small (similar size to Spains's), the war in Ukraine has consumed huge resources.

I think the Russian state is losing control. The popular reaction to the Wagner Group rebellion is evidence of this. There is a new rebellion taking place now and it too is not receiving a lot of resistance.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/03/2024 09:18

The Guardian has its live feed running again and apparently arrests have been made......

All very speculative and non-committal in a way but I guess it's early days yet.

Acapulco12 · 23/03/2024 09:22

PassMeTheCookies · 22/03/2024 23:35

Gosh, I hadn't seen this. How awful. I have a feeling attacks claimed by ISIS are going to increase around the world, given world leaders are doing next to nothing to cease the situation in Gaza. I fear there's going to be large scale retaliation for all.

I hope that fear is unfounded, but I find myself thinking about it more and more.

I was thinking this too.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/03/2024 09:23

I did wonder if the ceasefire veto had anything to do with it.

KenAdams · 23/03/2024 09:26

The BBC were discussing this at 5.50pm yesterday when I turned on the news so they did discuss it before the embargo was up on Kates news.

ElliottFromScrubs · 23/03/2024 09:28

Ah because what’s the point?

On and on it goes. I can only continue to take my kids to school and go to work.

Patrickiscrazy · 23/03/2024 09:30

Why should I talk about it?
Is this actually a massacre first time ever?
Btw, I'm being prevented from returning back to my lovely birth city of Prague, since the start of
the Conflict as many Ukrainian people moved there as there are living in the whole UK.
How about talking about this?

Acapulco12 · 23/03/2024 09:45

Patrickiscrazy · 23/03/2024 09:30

Why should I talk about it?
Is this actually a massacre first time ever?
Btw, I'm being prevented from returning back to my lovely birth city of Prague, since the start of
the Conflict as many Ukrainian people moved there as there are living in the whole UK.
How about talking about this?

Sorry to hear you’re not able to return to Prague.

I’m not sure what you mean when you say you’re prevented from returning because of Ukrainian people moving there. Do you mean that you can’t return there because Ukrainian people are pushing up the property prices so you can’t afford to move there? If so, I am really sorry.

As a separate point, Ukrainian people displaced by Putin’s war in Ukraine deserve somewhere safe to live, and they have the right to choose Prague - or the U.K. - if they wish. I’m sure they’d rather they never had to make the choice between staying in Ukraine and moving to a new place.

Acapulco12 · 23/03/2024 09:52

Patrickiscrazy · 23/03/2024 09:30

Why should I talk about it?
Is this actually a massacre first time ever?
Btw, I'm being prevented from returning back to my lovely birth city of Prague, since the start of
the Conflict as many Ukrainian people moved there as there are living in the whole UK.
How about talking about this?

I think the point is that, whilst it’s obviously not the first terrorist attack in Russia, it’s one of the most serious terrorist attacks to affect Russia in recent years (I think the last one was in 2017). It’s a major event because it killed lots of people - 93, at the time of writing - and has injured many more.

And it has happened not long after the Russian general election, which was obviously controversial, as Putin got a landslide victory.

Naturally, people are wondering why the terrorist attack happened, both on a ‘human’ level and in terms of geopolitics.

First, on a human level, a terrorist attack is terrifying, and a terrible thing to happen. People may also be wondering if the Russian security services could have done anything more to prevent it.

In terms of geopolitics, people might also be questioning if the terrorist attack is related to recent events affecting Russia - e.g. was it a protest against the Russian election or could it be a protest against the Russian veto of the Israel-Gaza ceasefire vote, or related to ISIS’s general ideology.

Patrickiscrazy · 23/03/2024 10:13

Acapulco12 · 23/03/2024 09:45

Sorry to hear you’re not able to return to Prague.

I’m not sure what you mean when you say you’re prevented from returning because of Ukrainian people moving there. Do you mean that you can’t return there because Ukrainian people are pushing up the property prices so you can’t afford to move there? If so, I am really sorry.

As a separate point, Ukrainian people displaced by Putin’s war in Ukraine deserve somewhere safe to live, and they have the right to choose Prague - or the U.K. - if they wish. I’m sure they’d rather they never had to make the choice between staying in Ukraine and moving to a new place.

Yes, I "can afford", thank you!
Just don't want to live there purely for this reason.

zingally · 23/03/2024 10:24

Because it didn't start to make the news cycle until later in the evening?
When the patrons of MN are likely busy with getting children to bed etc? And not avidly following a news story from another country quite a long way away?
Maybe their first thoughts, upon reading a breaking news story, aren't to immediately leap on MN? But perhaps more, think, "oh, that's very sad." and then continue with their Friday evening?

Obviously it's sad, but starting a thread with a whole "you uncaring bunch of savages" vibe is a bit much.

PossumintheHouse · 23/03/2024 10:33

zingally · 23/03/2024 10:24

Because it didn't start to make the news cycle until later in the evening?
When the patrons of MN are likely busy with getting children to bed etc? And not avidly following a news story from another country quite a long way away?
Maybe their first thoughts, upon reading a breaking news story, aren't to immediately leap on MN? But perhaps more, think, "oh, that's very sad." and then continue with their Friday evening?

Obviously it's sad, but starting a thread with a whole "you uncaring bunch of savages" vibe is a bit much.

The shootings last night occurred only slightly later than the announcement about the Princess of Wales. So, yes, you're bang on - it was very quiet.

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Acapulco12 · 23/03/2024 10:58

Patrickiscrazy · 23/03/2024 10:13

Yes, I "can afford", thank you!
Just don't want to live there purely for this reason.

I’m sorry for offending you with my comment. I didn’t intend at all to be rude or offensive. I’m sorry.

Icehockeyflowers · 23/03/2024 11:18

Patrickiscrazy · 23/03/2024 10:13

Yes, I "can afford", thank you!
Just don't want to live there purely for this reason.

What is the reason?
Property prices or too many Ukrainians now living there?

I don’t understand. Where I live, there are a lot of people saying both of the above are true but I didn’t realise it was the same in other cities.

Permanentlyunimpressed · 23/03/2024 11:24

You're not discussing it either op. You've simply started a thread with a link to a news article and asked other people why they're not immediately posting about it, yet you haven't given a single thought on the situation. If you want to discuss the terror attack then start discussing!

PossumintheHouse · 23/03/2024 11:33

Permanentlyunimpressed · 23/03/2024 11:24

You're not discussing it either op. You've simply started a thread with a link to a news article and asked other people why they're not immediately posting about it, yet you haven't given a single thought on the situation. If you want to discuss the terror attack then start discussing!

You're spot on, I haven't. My initial, earlier thoughts weren't directly related to the event itself as it was hard to gauge what was actually going on as it was unfolding, and then I'll admit I went off piste in the thread. I'm reading about it now, will offer my opinion.

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Patrickiscrazy · 23/03/2024 12:19

Icehockeyflowers · 23/03/2024 11:18

What is the reason?
Property prices or too many Ukrainians now living there?

I don’t understand. Where I live, there are a lot of people saying both of the above are true but I didn’t realise it was the same in other cities.

Yes, both reasons, however, the property prices being a small problem.

Icehockeyflowers · 23/03/2024 12:47

Patrickiscrazy · 23/03/2024 12:19

Yes, both reasons, however, the property prices being a small problem.

Can you try being clearer? What is the ‘bigger’ problem?

I can’t see the point of your thread? I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately obtuse or if you simply don’t have any points to debate?

1dayatatime · 23/03/2024 13:00

@Vod

"That said, they've claimed things they didn't do before and the Russian regime isn't averse to blowing up their own people and pretending it was someone else"

Any evidence to back this statement up or just another bullshit conspiracy theory that you put out there to let it run and then go silent?

Rainynight09 · 23/03/2024 13:06

It's absolutely horrific. I have read rumours that members of ISIS are responsible. What a surprise.

Vod · 23/03/2024 13:31

1dayatatime · 23/03/2024 13:00

@Vod

"That said, they've claimed things they didn't do before and the Russian regime isn't averse to blowing up their own people and pretending it was someone else"

Any evidence to back this statement up or just another bullshit conspiracy theory that you put out there to let it run and then go silent?

Russia and false flag invasions.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/04/false-flag-invasions-are-a-russian-specialty/

https://uk.usembassy.gov/how-russia-conducts-false-flag-operations/

It's also a very mainstream view that the Russian regime has allowed and exploited Chechnyan terror attacks, particularly in 1999.

Daesh claimed responsibility for the Las Vegas shootings in 2017, despite there never having been any evidence at all that the shooter had links to them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooting-isis-claim-responsibility-sign-desperation-say-experts-n807076

False-Flag Invasions Are a Russian Specialty

Ukraine wouldn’t be the first place that Russia’s military started a war by faking an attack.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/04/false-flag-invasions-are-a-russian-specialty