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School lunches - reception - please help!

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Stickerchart · 21/03/2024 12:40

Our DC will start reception in September, currently he is going to the nursery.

I am trying to figure out what is best - school lunches vs packed lunch.

I really don't want to go to the school lunches route (despite them being for free) as the quality won't be as good as a packed lunch. It will be full of sugars, processed bread, meat, fried things, frozen things, ready made chips, pasta and potatoes, puddings etc. which are not the best for a kid to have them every day. Once a while I get it but pudding every day? Why?

On the other hand if I go with the packed lunch I read everywhere that it's such a faff and a huge commitment and it will kill me. However, we all cook for ourselves once a day, don't we? I mean either when we come back home from work, or whenever it suits us. Most adults eat home cooked food every day either for lunch or dinner (some privileged for both). So, why not saving a small portion of whatever we are having for ourselves the day before and make a packed lunch with that plus some salad, fruit on the side? What is the faff about that?

It's an honest question as I think I am missing something!

AIBU - You clearly don't understand how hard that is
AINBU - It's not too hard , I think you are right

OP posts:
Notlikeamother · 21/03/2024 20:32

4YellowDaffodils · 21/03/2024 20:20

Read my post again Hmm

Sandwiches fine. Cold lasagne because the OP says they have to lump cold leftovers- not fine.

Obviously.

Why? If they like it it’s fine. DS likes cold spag Bol, cold lentil stew, cold baked beans, cold pizza, cold boiled/steamed potatoes, cold beef stew, cold porridge and loads of other stuff.

StellaAndCrow · 21/03/2024 20:45

I loved school dinners when I was at primary school. I'd have been sad if I hadn't been able to have them.
Also we got to take turns at being "server" (and fighting over who got the skin of the pink custard)

sanityisamyth · 21/03/2024 20:55

4YellowDaffodils · 21/03/2024 20:11

I feel a bit unsettled by a tiny child being made to eat cold leftovers or being told to navigate thermoses possibly without assistance (like school staff don't have enough to do in the day) when so extremely young. Particularly when there is a nutritionally appropriate, hot and balanced meal made available that their peers will be eating and which to do otherwise would mark them out as being different socially.

It seems to be a focus on the parent's ego rather than the child's need.

Cold lasagne? Really?

Absolutely this.

WibblyWobblyWeeble · 21/03/2024 21:52

Notlikeamother · 21/03/2024 20:32

Why? If they like it it’s fine. DS likes cold spag Bol, cold lentil stew, cold baked beans, cold pizza, cold boiled/steamed potatoes, cold beef stew, cold porridge and loads of other stuff.

The OP said if that's all there was, he'd have to eat it, which is just mean.

StripeyDeckchair · 21/03/2024 22:00

School dinners have to meet nutritional standards set out by the government.
No fried food. No school kitchen I've been in has a fryer. Any chips/wedges are oven baked.

For example; My kitchen staff make pizza from scratch, including making the dough themselves. 4-6 different salads are available daily.
Yes there are puddings daily but many are milk based - primary kids should still be consuming full fat milk daily & milk/dairy products to ensure they have sufficient calcium for bone growth.

Also don't ignore the social aspect of lunch time & children's desire to do the same as their friends (which often means they'll eat stuff they refuse at home)

Notlikeamother · 21/03/2024 22:02

WibblyWobblyWeeble · 21/03/2024 21:52

The OP said if that's all there was, he'd have to eat it, which is just mean.

Yes, sending a child with lunch they don’t like all the time is unkind (and unnecessary)-

Packed lunch children may sit somewhere separate- it’s worth checking (at ds school they all sat together as a class whatever they were eating)

but the rest of the stuff about cold food not being ok/leftovers not being ok/he will be miserable or picked on because his lunch is different/ he will prefer school dinners etc is rubbish- cold food is fine, as is them having leftover organic lentil stew with home made mung bean bread if that’s what they like.

SergeantDawkins · 21/03/2024 22:07

The best school lunch for a child is one that the child will actually eat.

They need food for energy, growing children need calories, hungry children struggle to learn and behave.

nutbrownhare15 · 21/03/2024 22:25

Honestly? I think you should chill out a bit. But then I'm one of those crappy parents who lets their kids have school dinners. Sometimes my youngest has a jacket potato, that devil food, four times a week! 😦

Littlemisscapable · 21/03/2024 22:27

It's free for a start..we don't have free dinners in NI. They will be fine with school dinners honestly. Just have a healthy dinner and it will save you loads of hassle.

CatStoleMyChocolate · 21/03/2024 22:40

I actually see where you’re coming from in some ways but I would still start out with school lunches. As someone mentioned up thread, it’s not just about the food, it’s the whole experience of communal eating, and potentially broadening their palate depending on what kind of an eater they are.

I don’t think your concerns are unfounded, actually - we’re in England and the standard of our DC’s school lunches has slipped in the last year to the point parents are commenting - smaller portions, less nice food, clearly some cost-cutting going on there.

There is a daily pudding (not necessarily fruit/yogurt - some kind of “chocolate sauce” at least once a week), which I found frustrating at first as my DC then started asking for pudding at home. It’s not the actual sugar content, it’s the habit-forming. And there are some bloody weird combinations - pizza with a side of plain pasta, anyone? Quorn hot dog and pasta?

But overall, in reception, I’d start with school lunches and see how you get on.

KeepingItReal2017 · 21/03/2024 22:50

PicaK · 21/03/2024 17:31

There are school food standards that school lunches should meet.
Send in a foi request asking when the school/Governors last checked the menu against the DfE regs and what the result of this check was. Cc in the Clerk to Governors.
Do it now, be pleasant - don't rubbish their food - ask for response by end of Summer 1, gives them time to up their game and make changes if necessary - so all sorted by the time your child gets there.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-food-standards-resources-for-schools

Oh but why must you waste an understaffed, underpaid school staff’s time? Get a grip and leave them alone

KeepingItReal2017 · 21/03/2024 22:51

And this is how you set your kids up for adulthood with a bad relationship with food. The overbearing, controlling relationship the parent is instilling in relation to food is awful. Totally snobbery too. Just home school the kid and live in the woods

Bythefireside · 21/03/2024 22:54

Stickerchart · 21/03/2024 12:49

Yes, I made the thread because I actually just saw the school menu.

Every day it has pasta or potatoes as separate options - meaning a kid can eat every day pasta or potatoes and that's fine.

Then there is a meat and a veggie option which are both things like sausages (i.e. processed meat) or meat free chilli topped wedges (again fried potatoes and god knows how many emulsifiers/E things are in this meet free chill dish) or pizza or fish fingers (again fried) ... and then always brownies, cheesecake , custard... every day!!!

Sorry for the moan but it's crazy that a 4.5 year old is offered desserts every day and not at a special occasion.

Totally agree you can always send leftovers in a thermos flask that’s what we do - they don’t need to be cold

Bbq1 · 21/03/2024 22:55

Stickerchart · 21/03/2024 12:49

Yes, I made the thread because I actually just saw the school menu.

Every day it has pasta or potatoes as separate options - meaning a kid can eat every day pasta or potatoes and that's fine.

Then there is a meat and a veggie option which are both things like sausages (i.e. processed meat) or meat free chilli topped wedges (again fried potatoes and god knows how many emulsifiers/E things are in this meet free chill dish) or pizza or fish fingers (again fried) ... and then always brownies, cheesecake , custard... every day!!!

Sorry for the moan but it's crazy that a 4.5 year old is offered desserts every day and not at a special occasion.

Op, such dinners aren't poison but if you're that worried about it just do packed lunch. I did them for 6/7 years and it was better for my ds as he only had a small appetite in those days so i could see what he had eaten. It wasn't a problem to spend 10 minutes making a packed lunch You can't expect a teacher to police what your dd has for dessert as a pp suggested. That's ridiculous The staff will just need the children to eat while they police behaviour and safeguard children who have real food allergies. They will not be available to say to little Jane or Johnny "Oh no, mummy said you must have fruit today because you've already had a dessert this week". Just do a packed lunch or accept your child will have school dinners of her choice.

Bythefireside · 21/03/2024 22:55

KeepingItReal2017 · 21/03/2024 22:51

And this is how you set your kids up for adulthood with a bad relationship with food. The overbearing, controlling relationship the parent is instilling in relation to food is awful. Totally snobbery too. Just home school the kid and live in the woods

You have real issues god forbid anyone want to be healthy and avoid ultra processed crap. Just be a sheep and go along with the majority and don’t rock the boat - scary.

KeepingItReal2017 · 21/03/2024 22:58

Bythefireside · 21/03/2024 22:55

You have real issues god forbid anyone want to be healthy and avoid ultra processed crap. Just be a sheep and go along with the majority and don’t rock the boat - scary.

Don’t be so dramatic. It’s literally one ducking tiny meal a day and they do have healthy options. Someone is wanting to cause drama about their child being better than everyone else.

Myotheripodisayoto · 21/03/2024 22:59

School dinners are horrendous because the funding isnt enough but the "desserts" are really not the issue. They are usually made with fruit/veg, dairy etc and very little sugar. Reframe your thinking, look at whats provided and recognise these as sources of nutrients like any other.

Children need carbohydrates and its an easy, cheap way to ensure enough palatable calories & provide calcium, fruit/veg, fibre, healthy fats.

Bythefireside · 21/03/2024 23:02

IDontDrinkTea · 21/03/2024 13:53

I think you might have to rethink your attitude to food once your child starts school.
At my child’s school, anyone having a homemade packed lunch has to eat it in a separate hall to those who are having a school dinner. As the reception lunches are free, they all eat them. So at my child’s school, enforcing a packed lunch would mean they ate alone every day.
When it’s a child’s birthday, they are allowed to bring in sweets to share - which because of the class size means there’s a birthday most weeks.
The school PTA do lots of food based activities too. My daughter has just won some kind of Easter raffle prize which is mostly chocolate.
The class with the best attendance each week get rewarded with a class prize - it’s nearly always food.
The teachers recently did some kind of maths treasure hunt during school hours - the prize was chocolate coins for all children to share.
Your child will attend birthday parties most weekends (reception seem to invite the whole class) and the party food is mostly sausage rolls, pizza and cake.
They’ll be invited on play dates and will be given tea at other children’s houses too.
If you’re going to keep up such strict diet restrictions at school, your child is going to be ostricized quite quickly.

You’re right. Feed your child chocolate, sugar, processed crap and and non foods, you can’t avoid obesity and chronic diseases so let’s embrace them and give up on doing the right thing.

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Myotheripodisayoto · 21/03/2024 23:04

The bigger issues are

  • poor quality, low protein main courses
  • badly cooked/prepared unpalatable food
  • barely any variety of fresh vegetables
  • a lot of processed food
  • inadequate portion sizes
Bythefireside · 21/03/2024 23:07

Stickerchart · 21/03/2024 13:00

Thankfully my boy is a good eater, unlike his younger sister!

He eats whatever we eat, never made a separate dish for kids. I am more like this is what we have today, if you don't want it that's fine you don't have to it, but also there is no alternative.

At the moment they go to the nursery and we have asked no puddings/no processed meat/no tuna (because of mercury) and we have no complaints from him. He happily eats his cheese wrap while his friend has a jam wrap or a ham wrap!

You’re doing really good job don’t let other people discourage you because they’re lazy

Rainallnight · 21/03/2024 23:08

Stickerchart · 21/03/2024 12:54

I get the point some said re packed lunch kids sitting elsewhere. This is something to consider and keep in mind, thank you!

As for the microwaved lunch - everything is a matter of getting used to it... and if you are hungry you will eat it despite not being served hot.

This sounds awful. No one likes cold main course leftovers - why would you expect your own child to ‘get used to it’?

If you want to go down the packed lunch route, then you actually have to make her a proper lunch.

Bythefireside · 21/03/2024 23:12

Rainallnight · 21/03/2024 23:08

This sounds awful. No one likes cold main course leftovers - why would you expect your own child to ‘get used to it’?

If you want to go down the packed lunch route, then you actually have to make her a proper lunch.

Two words - thermos flask

KeepingItReal2017 · 21/03/2024 23:17

Bythefireside · 21/03/2024 23:12

Two words - thermos flask

This person is not a parent. They are a bored goading wanker. Just because people have good experiences of school dinners does not mean they are not giving their kids healthy nutritious meals. Get a life.

KomodoOhno · 21/03/2024 23:21

Rainallnight · 21/03/2024 23:08

This sounds awful. No one likes cold main course leftovers - why would you expect your own child to ‘get used to it’?

If you want to go down the packed lunch route, then you actually have to make her a proper lunch.

My dd actual does and I find it disgusting 🫣 today she took cold mince with green beans. I swear I'm grossed out just packing her lunch. 😩 weird kid!

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