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Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

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TaFox · 20/03/2024 21:43

DD5 is in year 1 and has been learning about Jesus at school. Great stuff in the spirit of Easter.

The RE teacher told the class how Jesus was NAILED to the cross.

This is quite graphic for a little girl who believes that the Easter bunny will leave eggs in our garden.

Should I tell school that this is too much info for little ears?

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kkloo · 30/03/2024 19:57

WhatAreThey · 30/03/2024 19:21

Before Christ's crucification only the lowest of the lows in society were sentenced to crucification. It was a very common form of punishment. Everyone saw and knew it including children.
The uprising after His Resurrection by His disciples, who were all crucified as well, including Peter who was crucified upside down because he felt it was an honour to be crucified upright like Jesus, and followers who embodied Christ's teaches which form the basis of values,ideology and culture in the West and countries influenced by the west is the reason why you can think it's gruesome.
The Roman Empire would've continued to reign in its form with crucifixions, gladiators etc.
The Jesus movement is the basis of free healthcare (good Samaritan), education, monogamy, fairness, equality etc we enjoy today.

Even the humble first aid box, the Red Cross an international symbol of free help to the needy rich or poor all stem from the crucification of the Son of God who did no evil, healed people, advocated for children etc yet He gave Himself up to be crucified like a criminal.
There's a lot to teach from the meaning of this weekend.

This is poignant video to help understand https://x.com/SpeakLifeUK/status/1773736988195058084?t=09kQ03hUV4tq4fNaRkhayg&s=09

A good book on the topic. https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/B0B3H573VB?source_code=ASSOR150021921000R

I think I would have rathered been crucified than to be tortured with some of the torture devices used later on in the world
And the rest of it doesn't really make sense either considering the state the world is in.

Laikalaika · 30/03/2024 20:17

OOBetty · 23/03/2024 12:48

Yes that’s quite true . ( I mean in terms of Christian followers that is)
But the key concept for Jesus is that he was born of a virgin, ie not from sin.

Had Mary sinned in order to conceive then Jesus would’ve been born with original sin and essentially the same as everyone else.
In writing the Bible Jesus had to be special, he had to be different in the eyes of the authors and church.

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The Immaculate Conception is a Catholic doctrine. It's not found anywhere in the Bible.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 30/03/2024 20:18

Well, it's one of the stories associated with Easter so....

Parker231 · 30/03/2024 20:27

Laikalaika · 30/03/2024 20:17

The Immaculate Conception is a Catholic doctrine. It's not found anywhere in the Bible.

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No one is born from a virgin and no one is born with sin.

EverybodyIsFantastic · 30/03/2024 20:30

Laikalaika · 30/03/2024 20:17

The Immaculate Conception is a Catholic doctrine. It's not found anywhere in the Bible.

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And the Immaculate Conception is not Jesus’s conception, but Mary’s, anyway.

Celebrated on Dec 8th, so not really an Easter thing. An unfortunate number of Irish women born on this date were called Concepta.

kkloo · 30/03/2024 20:43

EverybodyIsFantastic · 30/03/2024 20:30

And the Immaculate Conception is not Jesus’s conception, but Mary’s, anyway.

Celebrated on Dec 8th, so not really an Easter thing. An unfortunate number of Irish women born on this date were called Concepta.

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So Mary had sex? with who?

Laikalaika · 30/03/2024 20:49

Parker231 · 30/03/2024 20:27

No one is born from a virgin and no one is born with sin.

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The Immaculate Conception is about how Mary was conceived, not Jesus! The Bible is clear that Jesus was born og a virgin amd was without sin.

BMW6 · 30/03/2024 20:49

The doctrine is that Mary didn't have sex with any man.
She was impregnated by God. To give birth to Himself.

I'm Agnostic.

Parker231 · 30/03/2024 20:51

BMW6 · 30/03/2024 20:49

The doctrine is that Mary didn't have sex with any man.
She was impregnated by God. To give birth to Himself.

I'm Agnostic.

Which we know can’t be true

Laikalaika · 30/03/2024 20:53

Parker231 · 30/03/2024 20:51

Which we know can’t be true

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God is God, he can do whatever he likes.

The idea that something came from nothing, on the other hand, is a logical impossibility.

OOBetty · 30/03/2024 20:53

Laikalaika · 30/03/2024 20:17

The Immaculate Conception is a Catholic doctrine. It's not found anywhere in the Bible.

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If you read further down the thread from my post tagged you will see I mentioned it was added in 1854 by the Pope at the time Pius ix

kkloo · 30/03/2024 20:57

Laikalaika · 30/03/2024 20:53

God is God, he can do whatever he likes.

The idea that something came from nothing, on the other hand, is a logical impossibility.

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But if he could do what he liked then he wouldn't have needed to come down as Jesus anyway....and all of the stories wouldn't have went down as they did!

EverybodyIsFantastic · 30/03/2024 21:27

kkloo · 30/03/2024 20:43

So Mary had sex? with who?

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Well, according to Luke’s Gospel she was impregnated asexually by the Holy Spirit.

But the ‘Immaculate Conception’ has nothing to do with sex, it’s to do with the concept of ‘original sin’ -sex isn’t inherently sinful, but all human beings since the Fall of Adam and Eve are born with built-in sin from the moment sperm meets egg.

The IC doctrine simply means Mary was conceived without the built-in sin everyone else automatically has.

If that’s your belief system, obviously.

(I’m an atheist who had a devoutly Catholic upbringing and education. To this day I am word perfect on the Mysteries of the Rosary, the Memorare, obscure Marian hymns etc.)

kkloo · 30/03/2024 21:37

@EverybodyIsFantastic
Yes sorry I read your post wrong. I know she was supposed to be a virgin.

IgnoranceNotOk · 30/03/2024 21:44

Taught my class about Holy Week this term.
The only thing that shocked them was that Judas kissed Jesus to betray him!
They were horrified! (They definitely knew about Judas before - must be my amazing teacher setting the scene and atmosphere!) 😂

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 30/03/2024 21:47

Laikalaika · 30/03/2024 20:53

God is God, he can do whatever he likes.

The idea that something came from nothing, on the other hand, is a logical impossibility.

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Which of the gods?

stormy4319trevor · 30/03/2024 22:18

HRTFT, but I think we should always look on the bright side of life

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 07:31

kkloo · 30/03/2024 20:43

So Mary had sex? with who?

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Well she obviously had sex with her husband at some point because she went on to have other children, Jesus's brothers, who are mentioned in the Bible.

kkloo · 31/03/2024 07:56

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 07:31

Well she obviously had sex with her husband at some point because she went on to have other children, Jesus's brothers, who are mentioned in the Bible.

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Looked it up out of curiosity and it seems that some believe in the 'perpetual virginity of Mary' and so they don't believe that they are Jesus's brothers, some think they are his cousins because he also had an Auntie Mary (Don't we all? 😂) and others believe they were Josephs sons from a former marriage!

DramaLlamaBangBang · 31/03/2024 08:19

OOBetty · 23/03/2024 13:26

As my earlier post. This is my ‘understanding’ as a Catholic and what we were taught at school, in church and indeed from my parents and grandparents etc before.
Sex is sinful hence why Catholics are supposed to only have sex in order to procreate.

(This probably comes from the Jewish concept of abstaining and cleansing prior to sex, I say probably as I’m not Jewish )
sex for fun in the RC church is not on the cards.

Im not disputing the teachings on Mary in the church.
I am analysing why the authors of the Bible decided Jesus had to be born of a virgin and their idea of sex as a sin. It all corresponds. It makes a lot of sense if you want someone to follow your path that you make the hero special born without sin and of someone without sin..

You see, I view the Bible as a book to use to live a good life. I do not believe in miracles and don’t take it literally. Even though I am a Catholic.

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I sm Catholic ( now agnostic) too, and this is how I understood it. FWIW I think it is a load of old bunkum too. I also think Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. The whole ' sex ascsin' concept has been invented by the Catholic Church to control people.

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 09:04

DramaLlamaBangBang · 31/03/2024 08:19

I sm Catholic ( now agnostic) too, and this is how I understood it. FWIW I think it is a load of old bunkum too. I also think Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. The whole ' sex ascsin' concept has been invented by the Catholic Church to control people.

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Jesus having to be born of a virgin does not mean that sex is a sin, not by any means. Song of Solomon in the Bible clearly shows that God created sex to be something joyful, intimate and passionate.

My understanding is that Jesus was born of a virgin so that he would be "begotten" not created. He is God come down to live among us. He always existed. He didn't come into being at one moment as we did when we were conceived.

Parker231 · 31/03/2024 09:06

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 09:04

Jesus having to be born of a virgin does not mean that sex is a sin, not by any means. Song of Solomon in the Bible clearly shows that God created sex to be something joyful, intimate and passionate.

My understanding is that Jesus was born of a virgin so that he would be "begotten" not created. He is God come down to live among us. He always existed. He didn't come into being at one moment as we did when we were conceived.

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When you put it like that, the story is obviously not true. Not possible.

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 09:39

Parker231 · 31/03/2024 09:06

When you put it like that, the story is obviously not true. Not possible.

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Well that's up to you to decide. We're discussing theology.

Parker231 · 31/03/2024 09:42

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 09:39

Well that's up to you to decide. We're discussing theology.

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I’m aware of the topic hence my comment being very relevant.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 31/03/2024 09:42

Ffs the Easter bunny. I’m catholic and it offends me! Grow up OP! That is the Easter story, it’s not about chocolate eggs and bunnies.

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