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To allow a friendship that involves DS being regularly hit in the face?

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BrightHorizons24 · 16/03/2024 11:22

My DS is 12
He has a friend, aged 12, who he really likes, who hits him in the face - a lot.
But it is never in anger. Never accompanied by swearing or shouting or arguing. No insults. No accusations. No verbals whatsoever.
DS says they are standing together, maybe chatting, maybe eating their morning snack at break, or sitting at lunch together, there's no problem, no bad atmosphere or anything, and literally, suddenly, the friend's arm suddenly hits out and he hits DS in the face with the back of his hand. He quickly and suddenly raises his arm up and out and wacks the back of his hand in to DS's face. Hard enough to hurt DS every time it happens.
Sometimes the friend apologises straight away afterwards and says "Oops sorry I didn't mean to do that" then carries on as he was beforehand. He doesn't apologise in a mortified way, he apologises in a matter of fact way. Sometimes he doesn't apologise but says nothing and carries on normally as though absolutely nothing has happened.
Mostly, he hits DS, DS gets cross and walks away, and later in the day the friend passes DS in the school corridor and smiles at him, says "Hey dude!!" with a big bright smile and holds his hand out to DS's hand and gives his hand a "Bro" shake (this is DS's vocabulary, not mine!!). This is a few hours after hitting him in the face.
This friend initiates hanging out with DS at school, seeks him out socially outside of school, greets him enthusiastically when he sees him, hugs him, is always putting his arm round DS's shoulders, and displays many actions of being a good friend to DS. DS says he's great company, fun, enjoys hanging out with him, they get on really well.....but he regularly gets hit in the face by him.
DS says he always hits in exactly the same way - it is always 1 arm held out straight without any warning and it suddenly flies upwards or outwards with force and the back of hand hits in to DS's face, hard.
When DS says "WHY DID YOU JUST HIT ME???" because it's always completely out of the blue, the friend doesn't answer, goes quiet, puts his face/head down, and doesn't respond.
DS said that he walked up to him this week, there was something he needed to tell him, and he thought to himself "I'm gonna quickly say what I've got to say and then duck down". He did exactly that. And sure enough, the friend hit out hard with his arm and hand, DS quickly ducked, and missed getting hit, whilst the friend's arm/hand hit the air. DS walked off and there was no retaliation. The friend didn't come chasing after him to hit him or anything like that.
DS said this week "I'm used to being hit by him now, he's always done it, but it didn't used to be very often, but now it's getting much much worse and more frequent since we started secondary school."
They've been friends for 2 years.
DS also reports that when they're in a calm environment together, this friend is happy, fun, relaxed, chilled out and really lovely towards DS, generously shares stuff with him, tells DS he's a really great friend, etc. But DS says if they're in an environment that's over stimulating, like the noisy school canteen or any crowded busy noisy area at school, or outside of school, the friend gets quickly and visibly irritable, snappy, agitated, starts swearing.
This friend has quite bad tics. He suddenly pushes his head down, face down, his neck goes very rigid and his right arm bends across the front of his body and kind of locks, and his expression fixes in to an intense stare. It's hard to describe. DS says when he's doing it you can't communicate with him, he can't answer anyone who is talking to him at the time. DS used to tell me about this happening a lot, and then I saw it a few times for myself. It's definitely an involuntary thing.
Is it possible to hit someone involuntarily??
It's always 1 hard arm action/hit. Always just once. Never twice. It's never a punch, his hand is never in a punch position, his hand is always flat. And he never changes the rest of his body position or movement. He sits still, or stands still, and hits 1 arm out hard and fast, whilst his other arm stays still.
The other day, DS was standing in the school canteen at break eating his toast. The friend came up to him and stood next to him eating his snack. DS said it was noisy, busy, bustling in there like always. Without warning, the friend whacked DS in the face whilst he was eating, it really hurt him and he got angry and raised his voice at friend and said "Why did you just hit me?! You're embarrassing yourself! Everyone's looking at you now! Don't hit me!" DS said lots of kids saw what happened, lots of them were indeed looking at the friend, and an older boy said "Calm down man, what are you doing? Don't hit him (about DS), he's a nice kid." Another older boy said to the friend "Chill out dude! There's no need for that! Relax!". DS said friend went bright red in his face ("scarlet red" according to DS) and went quiet.
I really do not know how to parent this.
Obviously, I don't want anyone hitting my DS. But it never seems to be in an aggressive argumentative way.
DS is feeling really confused and I can see it's now starting to upset him. He keeps bringing it up at home and is really asking me for my advice about how to handle things when the friend hits him, and he is asking me if he should carry on being friends or if he should end the friendship. He's torn because he gets a lot out of the friendship - when he's not being hit!
I need to be really careful about what I model to my DS. It is never ever ok for someone to hit you. But DS values his friendship and they have a lot of really fun happy times together.
I can't discuss with the friend's parents, I don't know them at all.
I think what I'm asking mumsnet is, do I advise DS to stop being friends with this kid because it's never ok to be hit and also its not healthy to have a friend who is completely unpredictable in their behaviour, or is there a condition I've never heard of that causes children to do 1 single involuntary hard hitting out of the arm in to the face of another child who is standing or sitting next to them at the time, that is a condition that I should be sympathetic towards??
Has anyone got any experience of this?
**Just as an extra, DS has literally just a few mins ago told me, just after I've typed all this out, that last week this friend actually attacked him - barging him, hitting him, pushing him, and DS said "his face changed, it went weird " and said the friend was making "growling noises". DS said the friend was repeatedly hitting him with both hands so DS grabbed hold of both his wrists, held his arms down and said "STOP!" The friend carried on making strange noises but didn't fight or push back against DS holding his both his wrists down, DS held his wrists until he saw that the friend started to relax and calm down, then DS let go of him and walked away. The friend didn't do anything further, just stood there silently. DS has only just told me this!! Says it has never happened before.
What is going on?!

OP posts:
SuffolkUnicorn · 16/03/2024 11:24

asd/adhd?

SuffolkUnicorn · 16/03/2024 11:24

Or shit parenting

Rinoachicken · 16/03/2024 11:26

What are school doing about this? It’s happening at school so they should be involved

psfiaqplffsa · 16/03/2024 11:27

OP he may have any number of conditions but that's irrelevant. Your son shouldn't be exposed to this behaviour. It's not your job to be 'understanding'. I'd get him to drop the friend.

p.s. ND myself married to similar DH.

OneTC · 16/03/2024 11:29

Does the kid have other friends?

I'd just tell DS to keep up with the ducking, it sounds like it's probably a beneficial friendship for both of them

curiousasacat · 16/03/2024 11:29

Just as an extra, DS has literally just a few mins ago told me, just after I've typed all this out, that last week this friend actually attacked him - barging him, hitting him, pushing him, and DS said "his face changed, it went weird " and said the friend was making "growling noises". DS said the friend was repeatedly hitting him with both hands so DS grabbed hold of both his wrists, held his arms down and said "STOP!" The friend carried on making strange noises but didn't fight or push back against DS holding his both his wrists down, DS held his wrists until he saw that the friend started to relax and calm down, then DS let go of him and walked away. The friend didn't do anything further, just stood there silently. DS has only just told me this!! Says it has never happened before.
What is going on?

This child needs an assessment by a child psychologist, something is very clearly not right and undiagnosed.

That is not his fault, but equally, you cannot remain in a friendship where you are being physically assaulted on a regular basis. It doesnt matter that it's not intentional- what happens if one day he hits or pushes your son into traffic by accident or causes a detached retina or something? I think you have to draw a hard boundary here that if you are being hit, it is never acceptable no matter what the circumstances.

I feel bad for the boy but he clearly needs help and support- if it were me, I'd go and have a quiet word with his teacher and raise this issue. It's a bit strange he's only doing it to your son and noone else though if it's completely involuntary.

GoodnightAdeline · 16/03/2024 11:31

NO it is NOT OKAY for your son to be physically attacked on a regular basis by a ‘friend’ and I can’t believe I’m having to type this out.

ohdamnitjanet · 16/03/2024 11:32

Halfway through I thought this sounds like a Tourette tic, it’s quite possible. Not that it stops him though. What does the school say?

jeaux90 · 16/03/2024 11:32

Yes it sounds involuntary. I feel bad for your DS he sounds lovely but I feel really sorry for the other boy. Clearly some issues going on he needs more help with.

The situation needs reporting to the school either way, and your DS should be told he is helping the boy by doing that.

airforsharon · 16/03/2024 11:32

Is it just your ds this boy hits? Does he manage not to hit, say, the teachers?

He obviously has problems but your son is not his punchbag. If any child was hurting mine regularly, regardless of the reason, i'd be taking steps to ensure they are kept well apart

swayingpalmtree · 16/03/2024 11:35

If this was truly a tic, then your son's face would not always be in the way of his hand would it?

If this was a genuine tic, his arm would be shooting out at times when noone's face was in the way but its more than coincidental that every SINGLE time he has this arm tic, your son's face just always happens to be the bullseye? Yeah sorry, this is deliberate.

If it was not deliberate, your son would see him doing the arm gesture into mid air when noone was there. The fact he only does it to your son and noone else and the fact that it's always your son's face that he manages to hit with perfect aim is highly suspicious. This kid needs help.

Olivie12 · 16/03/2024 12:09

Of course your son needs to step away from this "friend". You're allowing him to be physically assaulted, this is teaching him that violence is acceptable.

The "friend" needs help and I would have reported it to the school and tried to discuss it with his parents. It's not your son's job "to fix him".

How come it only happens with your son? And only in the face? Could it be that he's secretly jealous of him?

SammyScrounge · 16/03/2024 12:22

OneTC · 16/03/2024 11:29

Does the kid have other friends?

I'd just tell DS to keep up with the ducking, it sounds like it's probably a beneficial friendship for both of them

Learning ro accept being hit is not beneficial to the OP's son. I think the OP should intervene and end the 'friendship'.
It us clear that the OP's son is distressed
by it all because he keeps bringing the subject up with his mother because he has conflicting feelings about his friend. I think he needs to know that it's ok to dump this boy.

Durdledore · 16/03/2024 12:26

GoodnightAdeline · 16/03/2024 11:31

NO it is NOT OKAY for your son to be physically attacked on a regular basis by a ‘friend’ and I can’t believe I’m having to type this out.

This 👏

Italianita · 16/03/2024 12:27

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AyeupDuck · 16/03/2024 12:29

Regardless of why this child, is doing it there is no way I would want him to be friends. The school should be informed as well.

pikkumyy77 · 16/03/2024 12:30

I don’t think we can know that its not Tourettes or it is tourettes by this description. But something is seriously wring with this poor kid and it may be at an involuntary/unconscious/mechanical level.

If you know the parents raise it with them. If you only know the kid through school ask your son to discuss it with friend from a safe distance and see if he can accompany his friend to self refer to school medical authorities. The whole family may be in denial and hiding the issue so the poor kid can’t get services.

AlpenOats · 16/03/2024 12:30

What? No! Of course this isn't ok.

Teach your ds to have healthy boundaries and self-esteem. Being smacked isn't conducive to it.

The other boy is not your problem, your ds is your responsibility. Intervene get your ds support or let him change school.

Seriously.

Lovingitallnow · 16/03/2024 12:30

You can't encourage a friendship where he's being hit. This was happening to my much younger son who valued the friendship more than he minded being hit. We had a chat about it. The fear of rejecting your only friend is huge- but what's the point of a friend who hits you and ignores you when you say stop. My ds said but it's ok I like it. We had a chat and he agreed that the next time he'd say please don't hit me anymore to his friend. And he hasn't since.

RandomMess · 16/03/2024 12:31

Only read part of it, sounds like an involuntary Tic.

theonlygirl · 16/03/2024 12:31

Some of this sounds like motor tic syndrome, although it is odd that he always gets hit in the face. The last bit very much like something else is also going on. You could have a chat with the head of year or school SENCO. The friend should be getting support from the school. I think all you can do is be guided by your son, if he enjoys the friendship and is happy to keep ducking and diving maybe the friendship can continue but it seems as though there's been an escalation. Definitely talk to the School.

benjoin · 16/03/2024 12:33

Have you spoken to the school?

SlipperyFish11 · 16/03/2024 12:36

My DS has a close friend who hurts him often. Said friend is autistic and my son thinks he does it in a redirected aggression way.

My other DS is autistic and has other autistic friends. One of which hits him in the face a lot, but like your situation, there's no reason to it. I got school to deal with it and it stopped, but it was in primary school so much easier than high school. I would try speaking to school about it, see if they can have a word.

AlpenOats · 16/03/2024 12:38

Also agree that it sounds like tics or ADHD.

But DS values his friendship and they have a lot of really fun happy times together.
They may have fun but the overall picture unfortunately is not satisfactory for your boy, he deserves better, friends who he can have fun with and who don't hit him. While he is friends with this boy, he can't explore new friendships. It suggests that he already has low self esteem to be putting up with it. I suggest your ds tells his friend that he refuse to be hit and if friend doesn't stop it, he will stop hanging out. Also tell the school so they are aware. A friend is not someone who hits or hurts you repeatedly, regardless of how brilliant they are otherwise.

cheddercherry · 16/03/2024 12:39

It partly sounds like a tic but I’m also suspicious that it hits your sons face every time - you’d assume if it’s involuntary his arm would hit many things, possibly the face but not the exact spot each time which makes it sound more deliberate.

The addition of the growling and actually attack is far more concerning. I’d approach school about whether this child has access to support and how your son is being hurt repeatedly in a daily basis as they should be safeguarding against this. To be honest it’s quite a lot for your son to be dealing with without knowing if it’s a condition (which still doesn’t excuse him being hurt) or something being deliberately done to him. I’d need to get more information before making a decision on how the friendship develops.

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