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To allow a friendship that involves DS being regularly hit in the face?

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BrightHorizons24 · 16/03/2024 11:22

My DS is 12
He has a friend, aged 12, who he really likes, who hits him in the face - a lot.
But it is never in anger. Never accompanied by swearing or shouting or arguing. No insults. No accusations. No verbals whatsoever.
DS says they are standing together, maybe chatting, maybe eating their morning snack at break, or sitting at lunch together, there's no problem, no bad atmosphere or anything, and literally, suddenly, the friend's arm suddenly hits out and he hits DS in the face with the back of his hand. He quickly and suddenly raises his arm up and out and wacks the back of his hand in to DS's face. Hard enough to hurt DS every time it happens.
Sometimes the friend apologises straight away afterwards and says "Oops sorry I didn't mean to do that" then carries on as he was beforehand. He doesn't apologise in a mortified way, he apologises in a matter of fact way. Sometimes he doesn't apologise but says nothing and carries on normally as though absolutely nothing has happened.
Mostly, he hits DS, DS gets cross and walks away, and later in the day the friend passes DS in the school corridor and smiles at him, says "Hey dude!!" with a big bright smile and holds his hand out to DS's hand and gives his hand a "Bro" shake (this is DS's vocabulary, not mine!!). This is a few hours after hitting him in the face.
This friend initiates hanging out with DS at school, seeks him out socially outside of school, greets him enthusiastically when he sees him, hugs him, is always putting his arm round DS's shoulders, and displays many actions of being a good friend to DS. DS says he's great company, fun, enjoys hanging out with him, they get on really well.....but he regularly gets hit in the face by him.
DS says he always hits in exactly the same way - it is always 1 arm held out straight without any warning and it suddenly flies upwards or outwards with force and the back of hand hits in to DS's face, hard.
When DS says "WHY DID YOU JUST HIT ME???" because it's always completely out of the blue, the friend doesn't answer, goes quiet, puts his face/head down, and doesn't respond.
DS said that he walked up to him this week, there was something he needed to tell him, and he thought to himself "I'm gonna quickly say what I've got to say and then duck down". He did exactly that. And sure enough, the friend hit out hard with his arm and hand, DS quickly ducked, and missed getting hit, whilst the friend's arm/hand hit the air. DS walked off and there was no retaliation. The friend didn't come chasing after him to hit him or anything like that.
DS said this week "I'm used to being hit by him now, he's always done it, but it didn't used to be very often, but now it's getting much much worse and more frequent since we started secondary school."
They've been friends for 2 years.
DS also reports that when they're in a calm environment together, this friend is happy, fun, relaxed, chilled out and really lovely towards DS, generously shares stuff with him, tells DS he's a really great friend, etc. But DS says if they're in an environment that's over stimulating, like the noisy school canteen or any crowded busy noisy area at school, or outside of school, the friend gets quickly and visibly irritable, snappy, agitated, starts swearing.
This friend has quite bad tics. He suddenly pushes his head down, face down, his neck goes very rigid and his right arm bends across the front of his body and kind of locks, and his expression fixes in to an intense stare. It's hard to describe. DS says when he's doing it you can't communicate with him, he can't answer anyone who is talking to him at the time. DS used to tell me about this happening a lot, and then I saw it a few times for myself. It's definitely an involuntary thing.
Is it possible to hit someone involuntarily??
It's always 1 hard arm action/hit. Always just once. Never twice. It's never a punch, his hand is never in a punch position, his hand is always flat. And he never changes the rest of his body position or movement. He sits still, or stands still, and hits 1 arm out hard and fast, whilst his other arm stays still.
The other day, DS was standing in the school canteen at break eating his toast. The friend came up to him and stood next to him eating his snack. DS said it was noisy, busy, bustling in there like always. Without warning, the friend whacked DS in the face whilst he was eating, it really hurt him and he got angry and raised his voice at friend and said "Why did you just hit me?! You're embarrassing yourself! Everyone's looking at you now! Don't hit me!" DS said lots of kids saw what happened, lots of them were indeed looking at the friend, and an older boy said "Calm down man, what are you doing? Don't hit him (about DS), he's a nice kid." Another older boy said to the friend "Chill out dude! There's no need for that! Relax!". DS said friend went bright red in his face ("scarlet red" according to DS) and went quiet.
I really do not know how to parent this.
Obviously, I don't want anyone hitting my DS. But it never seems to be in an aggressive argumentative way.
DS is feeling really confused and I can see it's now starting to upset him. He keeps bringing it up at home and is really asking me for my advice about how to handle things when the friend hits him, and he is asking me if he should carry on being friends or if he should end the friendship. He's torn because he gets a lot out of the friendship - when he's not being hit!
I need to be really careful about what I model to my DS. It is never ever ok for someone to hit you. But DS values his friendship and they have a lot of really fun happy times together.
I can't discuss with the friend's parents, I don't know them at all.
I think what I'm asking mumsnet is, do I advise DS to stop being friends with this kid because it's never ok to be hit and also its not healthy to have a friend who is completely unpredictable in their behaviour, or is there a condition I've never heard of that causes children to do 1 single involuntary hard hitting out of the arm in to the face of another child who is standing or sitting next to them at the time, that is a condition that I should be sympathetic towards??
Has anyone got any experience of this?
**Just as an extra, DS has literally just a few mins ago told me, just after I've typed all this out, that last week this friend actually attacked him - barging him, hitting him, pushing him, and DS said "his face changed, it went weird " and said the friend was making "growling noises". DS said the friend was repeatedly hitting him with both hands so DS grabbed hold of both his wrists, held his arms down and said "STOP!" The friend carried on making strange noises but didn't fight or push back against DS holding his both his wrists down, DS held his wrists until he saw that the friend started to relax and calm down, then DS let go of him and walked away. The friend didn't do anything further, just stood there silently. DS has only just told me this!! Says it has never happened before.
What is going on?!

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yesmen · 16/03/2024 12:40

swayingpalmtree · 16/03/2024 11:35

If this was truly a tic, then your son's face would not always be in the way of his hand would it?

If this was a genuine tic, his arm would be shooting out at times when noone's face was in the way but its more than coincidental that every SINGLE time he has this arm tic, your son's face just always happens to be the bullseye? Yeah sorry, this is deliberate.

If it was not deliberate, your son would see him doing the arm gesture into mid air when noone was there. The fact he only does it to your son and noone else and the fact that it's always your son's face that he manages to hit with perfect aim is highly suspicious. This kid needs help.

Unfortunately this.

psfiaqplffsa · 16/03/2024 12:41

cheddercherry · 16/03/2024 12:39

It partly sounds like a tic but I’m also suspicious that it hits your sons face every time - you’d assume if it’s involuntary his arm would hit many things, possibly the face but not the exact spot each time which makes it sound more deliberate.

The addition of the growling and actually attack is far more concerning. I’d approach school about whether this child has access to support and how your son is being hurt repeatedly in a daily basis as they should be safeguarding against this. To be honest it’s quite a lot for your son to be dealing with without knowing if it’s a condition (which still doesn’t excuse him being hurt) or something being deliberately done to him. I’d need to get more information before making a decision on how the friendship develops.

No more 'information' is needed. OP needs to protect her son.

SkaneTos · 16/03/2024 12:41

What does the parents of the friend say about this?

paddlinglikecrazy · 16/03/2024 12:42

Have you been in touch with school about this situation ?
Is it only your DS he is attacking ?
you have to keep your DS safe, his friends behaviour towards him is escalating. School need to be involved and your son needs to avoid him.

BrightHorizons24 · 16/03/2024 12:43

He does it to other friends too, not just my DS, in exactly the same way.
But I'm only posting about my DS.

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EwwSprouts · 16/03/2024 12:45

The other child needs help. He can't go through life assaulting others. Someone less tolerant than your DS is going to retaliate. Show your DS that he is worthy of better friendships or at least give this boy space until he learns to manage his emotions.

DinaofCloud9 · 16/03/2024 12:46

Convenient tic that gets him full in the face isn't it?

I would not encourage this friendship. No child should put up with being hit. Especially not from a friend.

BrightHorizons24 · 16/03/2024 12:50

SlipperyFish11 · 16/03/2024 12:36

My DS has a close friend who hurts him often. Said friend is autistic and my son thinks he does it in a redirected aggression way.

My other DS is autistic and has other autistic friends. One of which hits him in the face a lot, but like your situation, there's no reason to it. I got school to deal with it and it stopped, but it was in primary school so much easier than high school. I would try speaking to school about it, see if they can have a word.

This is interesting and I think this is something that is going on here.

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ntmdino · 16/03/2024 12:51

Tics, in Tourettes for example, can definitely be related to (and directed at) things in the environment - so, hitting something in particular. It's a different kind of tic to just an involuntary movement similar to a spasm. I had a friend with Tourettes who had this exact problem - you couldn't turn your back to her, because she had a tic where she'd immediately smack your butt hard if it was in her eyeline and within range. Unerring accuracy, and incredibly embarrassing for her; it completely destroyed her ability to socialise, and she ended up a complete recluse for a good two or three years because of it. Doctors and psychologists didn't even try to help her.

The fact that the lad seems embarrassed or frustrated at it would indicate that it's possibly something of that nature.

BrightHorizons24 · 16/03/2024 12:52

Just to add, DS has a lot of other friends at school and outside of school, all of whom are lovely boys with no behaviour issues. DS is popular and gets lots of different invites from different friends.
He has good levels of self esteem. DS says he thinks this friend has got problems that he needs to see a Dr about (DS's words).

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YetMoreNewBeginnings · 16/03/2024 12:55

Have the school never got involved in this?

They need to be. If the lad is lashing out because he’s not coping he needs help with coping strategies. If he’s lashing out because he’s a dick he needs dealing with.

Either way your DS needs protecting.

takealettermsjones · 16/03/2024 13:02

I don't have any experience of this but my view is... look, condition or not, the friend is old enough to understand that his friends shouldn't have to put up with this. He may well be mortified, that's understandable. But he should also understand that there needs to be a solution. I'd be advising my son to never get within arm's reach of him. So leave a seat between them if sitting together, or sit facing him instead etc. Social distancing rules when standing. It's awkward but if he wants to keep the friendship that's it. And any more 'attacks' with growling etc that would be friendship over for me. He needs proper help, poor lad.

baileybrosbuildingandloan · 16/03/2024 13:02

SuffolkUnicorn · 16/03/2024 11:24

asd/adhd?

Why?

BrightHorizons24 · 16/03/2024 13:03

ntmdino · 16/03/2024 12:51

Tics, in Tourettes for example, can definitely be related to (and directed at) things in the environment - so, hitting something in particular. It's a different kind of tic to just an involuntary movement similar to a spasm. I had a friend with Tourettes who had this exact problem - you couldn't turn your back to her, because she had a tic where she'd immediately smack your butt hard if it was in her eyeline and within range. Unerring accuracy, and incredibly embarrassing for her; it completely destroyed her ability to socialise, and she ended up a complete recluse for a good two or three years because of it. Doctors and psychologists didn't even try to help her.

The fact that the lad seems embarrassed or frustrated at it would indicate that it's possibly something of that nature.

That's so interesting.........that's exactly like what DS is describing.
I just showed your post to my DS and he said "Yeah! It's exactly the same as that!"
DS said if hes standing or sitting with some distance between them it doesn't happen. This friend never actually walks over to him deliberately to hit him. It only happens if he's right next to him. And only in busy environments, never in calm environments.
So if this friend has a diagnosable condition that's not his fault, should DS still end his friendship?

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Rinoachicken · 16/03/2024 13:23

Why are you not answering about what school are doing about this? Are they even aware??

musicforthesoul · 16/03/2024 13:46

It does sound like there is something involuntary going on, but from your sons perspective that doesn't matter. Being hit in the face is a hard red line, no one should have to put up with that whether or not the hitter can help it.

I think I'd advise your son that it isn't OK for anyone to be hitting him no matter the reason, and if he does want to end or cool off the friendship because of it that is OK.

If he doesn't want to end the friendship then help with coping strategies like avoiding standing close to this boy/not hanging out with him in the environments that seem to trigger the hit.

Either way I'd speak to the school about this and make sure they are aware what is happening. The boy clearly needs some help to stop doing this and that's the best you can do to try and ensure he gets it.

Delphiniumandlupins · 16/03/2024 13:48

musicforthesoul · 16/03/2024 13:46

It does sound like there is something involuntary going on, but from your sons perspective that doesn't matter. Being hit in the face is a hard red line, no one should have to put up with that whether or not the hitter can help it.

I think I'd advise your son that it isn't OK for anyone to be hitting him no matter the reason, and if he does want to end or cool off the friendship because of it that is OK.

If he doesn't want to end the friendship then help with coping strategies like avoiding standing close to this boy/not hanging out with him in the environments that seem to trigger the hit.

Either way I'd speak to the school about this and make sure they are aware what is happening. The boy clearly needs some help to stop doing this and that's the best you can do to try and ensure he gets it.

This is all good advice.

IncompleteSenten · 16/03/2024 13:49

It does not matter why the child is hitting.
Your son should not have to accept being hit.

Nanny0gg · 16/03/2024 13:57

BrightHorizons24 · 16/03/2024 12:43

He does it to other friends too, not just my DS, in exactly the same way.
But I'm only posting about my DS.

Whatever the reason, some day he's going to do it to the wrong person and he's going to get floored.

So school needs to intervene.

betterangels · 16/03/2024 14:01

GoodnightAdeline · 16/03/2024 11:31

NO it is NOT OKAY for your son to be physically attacked on a regular basis by a ‘friend’ and I can’t believe I’m having to type this out.

THIS. Please don't allow that. Horrible.

Trickabrick · 16/03/2024 14:02

If your son is raising this with you at home and telling you he’s not sure whether to continue the friendship, I’d vouch he’s looking for permission from you that it’s ok to distance himself from the friendship.

The reasons for the hitting are slightly irrelevant, your son is being assaulted on a regular basis regardless and it’s clearly bothering him.

EasternStandard · 16/03/2024 14:05

GoodnightAdeline · 16/03/2024 11:31

NO it is NOT OKAY for your son to be physically attacked on a regular basis by a ‘friend’ and I can’t believe I’m having to type this out.

Agree

Daleksatemyshed · 16/03/2024 14:06

It hurts your DS now but as they get older and stronger there's a chance of actual damage happening so you need to deal with this now. If you know the boy's DM can you have a proper talk with her and see if her DS has a condition and if he's getting any help for it, then work out your next move accordingly,?

Mummame222 · 16/03/2024 14:10

Two of my kids have ASD, I have ASD.

I would stop this friendship, I feel for the boy doing this, I really do, but that’s not your problem. Your son is who you need to protect and that other boy needs help. You should 100% contact the school.

OneTC · 16/03/2024 14:12

IncompleteSenten · 16/03/2024 13:49

It does not matter why the child is hitting.
Your son should not have to accept being hit.

I think at 12 he's choosing to rather than accepting it. I'd agree if the child was younger but tbh he's displaying emotional intelligence and maturity that makes me think he gets it.

He knows there's something not right and he doesn't think that just cutting the kid loose is the right thing.

The hitting, whilst not good, is clearly not all that serious if they're standing about discussing it after the fact, that's not how hitting someone with intent goes down.

I fully understand the protective urge to remove your child from that situation but it's a situation partly of your child's choosing and I reckon he wants you to help him cope with what's a difficult situation for both kids, rather than simply distance himself, which he'd likely not need help with.