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To allow a friendship that involves DS being regularly hit in the face?

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BrightHorizons24 · 16/03/2024 11:22

My DS is 12
He has a friend, aged 12, who he really likes, who hits him in the face - a lot.
But it is never in anger. Never accompanied by swearing or shouting or arguing. No insults. No accusations. No verbals whatsoever.
DS says they are standing together, maybe chatting, maybe eating their morning snack at break, or sitting at lunch together, there's no problem, no bad atmosphere or anything, and literally, suddenly, the friend's arm suddenly hits out and he hits DS in the face with the back of his hand. He quickly and suddenly raises his arm up and out and wacks the back of his hand in to DS's face. Hard enough to hurt DS every time it happens.
Sometimes the friend apologises straight away afterwards and says "Oops sorry I didn't mean to do that" then carries on as he was beforehand. He doesn't apologise in a mortified way, he apologises in a matter of fact way. Sometimes he doesn't apologise but says nothing and carries on normally as though absolutely nothing has happened.
Mostly, he hits DS, DS gets cross and walks away, and later in the day the friend passes DS in the school corridor and smiles at him, says "Hey dude!!" with a big bright smile and holds his hand out to DS's hand and gives his hand a "Bro" shake (this is DS's vocabulary, not mine!!). This is a few hours after hitting him in the face.
This friend initiates hanging out with DS at school, seeks him out socially outside of school, greets him enthusiastically when he sees him, hugs him, is always putting his arm round DS's shoulders, and displays many actions of being a good friend to DS. DS says he's great company, fun, enjoys hanging out with him, they get on really well.....but he regularly gets hit in the face by him.
DS says he always hits in exactly the same way - it is always 1 arm held out straight without any warning and it suddenly flies upwards or outwards with force and the back of hand hits in to DS's face, hard.
When DS says "WHY DID YOU JUST HIT ME???" because it's always completely out of the blue, the friend doesn't answer, goes quiet, puts his face/head down, and doesn't respond.
DS said that he walked up to him this week, there was something he needed to tell him, and he thought to himself "I'm gonna quickly say what I've got to say and then duck down". He did exactly that. And sure enough, the friend hit out hard with his arm and hand, DS quickly ducked, and missed getting hit, whilst the friend's arm/hand hit the air. DS walked off and there was no retaliation. The friend didn't come chasing after him to hit him or anything like that.
DS said this week "I'm used to being hit by him now, he's always done it, but it didn't used to be very often, but now it's getting much much worse and more frequent since we started secondary school."
They've been friends for 2 years.
DS also reports that when they're in a calm environment together, this friend is happy, fun, relaxed, chilled out and really lovely towards DS, generously shares stuff with him, tells DS he's a really great friend, etc. But DS says if they're in an environment that's over stimulating, like the noisy school canteen or any crowded busy noisy area at school, or outside of school, the friend gets quickly and visibly irritable, snappy, agitated, starts swearing.
This friend has quite bad tics. He suddenly pushes his head down, face down, his neck goes very rigid and his right arm bends across the front of his body and kind of locks, and his expression fixes in to an intense stare. It's hard to describe. DS says when he's doing it you can't communicate with him, he can't answer anyone who is talking to him at the time. DS used to tell me about this happening a lot, and then I saw it a few times for myself. It's definitely an involuntary thing.
Is it possible to hit someone involuntarily??
It's always 1 hard arm action/hit. Always just once. Never twice. It's never a punch, his hand is never in a punch position, his hand is always flat. And he never changes the rest of his body position or movement. He sits still, or stands still, and hits 1 arm out hard and fast, whilst his other arm stays still.
The other day, DS was standing in the school canteen at break eating his toast. The friend came up to him and stood next to him eating his snack. DS said it was noisy, busy, bustling in there like always. Without warning, the friend whacked DS in the face whilst he was eating, it really hurt him and he got angry and raised his voice at friend and said "Why did you just hit me?! You're embarrassing yourself! Everyone's looking at you now! Don't hit me!" DS said lots of kids saw what happened, lots of them were indeed looking at the friend, and an older boy said "Calm down man, what are you doing? Don't hit him (about DS), he's a nice kid." Another older boy said to the friend "Chill out dude! There's no need for that! Relax!". DS said friend went bright red in his face ("scarlet red" according to DS) and went quiet.
I really do not know how to parent this.
Obviously, I don't want anyone hitting my DS. But it never seems to be in an aggressive argumentative way.
DS is feeling really confused and I can see it's now starting to upset him. He keeps bringing it up at home and is really asking me for my advice about how to handle things when the friend hits him, and he is asking me if he should carry on being friends or if he should end the friendship. He's torn because he gets a lot out of the friendship - when he's not being hit!
I need to be really careful about what I model to my DS. It is never ever ok for someone to hit you. But DS values his friendship and they have a lot of really fun happy times together.
I can't discuss with the friend's parents, I don't know them at all.
I think what I'm asking mumsnet is, do I advise DS to stop being friends with this kid because it's never ok to be hit and also its not healthy to have a friend who is completely unpredictable in their behaviour, or is there a condition I've never heard of that causes children to do 1 single involuntary hard hitting out of the arm in to the face of another child who is standing or sitting next to them at the time, that is a condition that I should be sympathetic towards??
Has anyone got any experience of this?
**Just as an extra, DS has literally just a few mins ago told me, just after I've typed all this out, that last week this friend actually attacked him - barging him, hitting him, pushing him, and DS said "his face changed, it went weird " and said the friend was making "growling noises". DS said the friend was repeatedly hitting him with both hands so DS grabbed hold of both his wrists, held his arms down and said "STOP!" The friend carried on making strange noises but didn't fight or push back against DS holding his both his wrists down, DS held his wrists until he saw that the friend started to relax and calm down, then DS let go of him and walked away. The friend didn't do anything further, just stood there silently. DS has only just told me this!! Says it has never happened before.
What is going on?!

OP posts:
WhatNoRaisins · 16/03/2024 14:12

I'd dial back this friendship before he gets hurt. I feel for the other child but this will take adults, preferably professionals to figure out rather than his peers. I'd worry that the boy might do this to the wrong person and get hit back.

badwolf82 · 16/03/2024 14:14

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, I went to school with a boy like this and he had Tourette’s Syndrome. He often flailed his limbs and sometimes hit people. He didn’t have many of the verbal tics that people associate with it, it was much more physical.

Unfortunately people didn’t really understand it then and this child was increasingly excluded by the other kids and eventually left the school. I don’t think life turned out well for him.

Trying to stop tics can lead to aggressive behaviour as the person feels compelled to carry out the tic, so physically holding the kids arms is going to make it worse.

Can you talk to this child’s parents and express your concerns? If he does have a disorder then they are probably aware of it and hopefully seeking treatment. There may be an opportunity for you to speak with them or a doctor that they see about how best for your child to handle his friend’s condition.

cooldarkroom · 16/03/2024 14:16

Does he hit anyone else?

Introvertedbuthappy · 16/03/2024 14:17

It sounds like involuntary tics. I have a student in my class with tics and if anyone's face is near his, he will headbutt them. Basically 9 out of every 10 times - it's like an automatic association. He is mortified by it, I really feel for him (and yes, I have been head butted several times this year). Your son sounds lovely and supportive (Tourette's does get worse aged 11-14ish) so perhaps have an open conversation about it.

Tigertigertigertiger · 16/03/2024 14:19

I can not believe you are asking this.
Your job is to protect your son.
He needs to end this friendship

Mischance · 16/03/2024 14:23

Speak to the school. Your son is being attacked at school where they have a duty of care to him.

I suspect the school will already know this child's problems; but they do need to know what is happening so that they can safeguard the other chidlren.

Waffleson · 16/03/2024 14:24

This sounds like Tourettes or another tic condition. The boy can't help it. You need to speak to the school. The boy needs help to control the tics and to recognise what causes them so he can avoid those situations. He may be able to take medication to help. Personally I would not encourage my child to end the friendship but I would want someone at school to talk to both boys about his to manage it so that your son is not getting hit.

FortofPud · 16/03/2024 14:29

For just a casual friendship I'd not be ok with the unknown of what was going on and having DS in harms way as a result. I would be very clear with him though that it sounds like there's some sort of mental health/involuntary thing going on and this boy needs treating with kindness and standing up for if people are mean.

But if it's actually a decent friendship then I wouldn't want to shut it down on the basis of this kid having tourettes, that would be awfully sad. I would however say to DS that he needs to have proper chat and ask this kid about it away from others. There needs to be more of a plan about how to make sure ds doesn't get hurt and that would require this kid to be a bit vulnerable and share information on what's he's struggling with.

Having said that, the attack is more of a crossed line and that could never happen again. The kid must be under a lot of pressure, it sounds horrendous and embarrassing for him if it's all involuntary.

whatsagoodusername · 16/03/2024 14:31

You need to get the school involved.

Your DS sounds lovely, but he shouldn't accept being hit. If he wants to maintain the friendship and believes it is a tic (it does sound like it to me), then he needs to put boundaries in place to protect himself - not standing in the positions which

whatsagoodusername · 16/03/2024 14:32

Not standing in positions in which he gets hit. But talk to the friend and explain that's what he's doing - it helps everyone if it's articulated!

LakeTiticaca · 16/03/2024 14:53

Does this child assault anyone else in school or is it just your son? Why are you allowing this to continue?
Have you reported it to school?

TammyJones · 16/03/2024 14:56

psfiaqplffsa · 16/03/2024 11:27

OP he may have any number of conditions but that's irrelevant. Your son shouldn't be exposed to this behaviour. It's not your job to be 'understanding'. I'd get him to drop the friend.

p.s. ND myself married to similar DH.

Drop the 'friend'
This is not teaching your son boundaries or helping with his self esteem.

Fedupofcommodes · 16/03/2024 14:58

If it was a tic of some kind I don't think the friend would be walking over to your son to hit him. His arm would just involuntarily flail out wouldn't it whether or not anyone was there. Sounds like violent little shit behaviour to me to be honest. It's not okay but I think you know this you need to speak to the school and the kids parents it's ridiculous 🙄

BornIn78 · 16/03/2024 15:03

I bet he’s not doing it to older bigger lads.

Tics my arse.

I would tell my son to punch him hard in the face next time he did it take this up with the school and tell my son that it’s ok to end the friendship and to keep away from this violent thug.

caringcarer · 16/03/2024 15:05

It could be a motor tic. My elder son had motor tics. His shoulder on one side used to drop down them jerk up. He couldn't control it. He never hit or hurt anyone though. He had some medication for it but it didn't suit him. It made him put on loads of weight and go puffy so he came off of it. As an adult it is much better but I've occasionally noticed when he is stressed his shoulder goes down then up very fast.

UnbeatenMum · 16/03/2024 15:17

I think it would be good to inform school even if DS thinks it's not intentional. He may not be getting enough support. E.g. my DD has a special plan to avoid busy corridors, access to a quiet space etc.
If DS wants to stay friends then he could try standing at arms length and maybe explain to his friend why he's doing it. If he doesn't want to stay friends he shouldn't feel he has to.

curiousasacat · 16/03/2024 15:49

So if this friend has a diagnosable condition that's not his fault, should DS still end his friendship?

Yes, in my opinion. But more importantly- this child needs support which is why you should speak to the school. It's not ok this poor lad is having to just deal with this on his own without any help.

From your updates he is hitting others too- if this isnt addressed, one day when he gets older, he'll be seriously hurt by someone who may well punch him back- hard. In the meantime, your son is still at risk of being injured isnt he?- it's not much comfort having a black eye knowing it wasn't "intentional" as the physical pain is still the same. Maybe if people start reporting it, this boy's parents will be forced to actually address it and get him the support he needs. Saying and doing nothing isnt helping either.

EggyBread99 · 16/03/2024 15:59

You need to go into school and have this child separated.from yours asap. Please.wprry about your child and report to school.

Isittimeformynapyet · 16/03/2024 16:05

Fedupofcommodes · 16/03/2024 14:58

If it was a tic of some kind I don't think the friend would be walking over to your son to hit him. His arm would just involuntarily flail out wouldn't it whether or not anyone was there. Sounds like violent little shit behaviour to me to be honest. It's not okay but I think you know this you need to speak to the school and the kids parents it's ridiculous 🙄

"I don't think" is the only accurate part of your post.

The friend doesn't walk over to hit the OP's son.

Tourettes does exist, you know.

KomodoOhno · 16/03/2024 16:07

I hope you some finds a way out of this friendship. Wether the friend has tourettes or something else that does not excuse your son being hit. Me I would talk the the school and put an end to the friendship.

ginasevern · 16/03/2024 16:07

ohdamnitjanet · 16/03/2024 11:32

Halfway through I thought this sounds like a Tourette tic, it’s quite possible. Not that it stops him though. What does the school say?

I agree. My very first thought was Tourettes or something closely related to the syndrome. I'd say his actions are almost certainly involuntary. Very sad because he sounds nice and is probably grateful to have such a good friend in your son.

BertieBotts · 16/03/2024 16:08

Tell the school what your DS has said and that you're concerned for this child and about the friendship.

It's not DS's responsibility to try to manage it - he's asking you, the adult, to help.

You don't have access to the parents.

So the school seems like the best approach.

PumpkinPie2016 · 16/03/2024 16:10

Your DS sounds like a lovely, very understanding boy who wants to be friends with this boy but, understandably, is upset and confused as to why his friend his hitting him in this way.

The update about the recent attack and the friend going 'weird' and making noises along with the incidents of hitting suggests that the child may have some sort of disability which is causing him to behave in this way. That doesn't mean your son should just put up with it though.

Do you know the other boy's parents? Have they ever noticed it/said anything?

Either way, as a first step, please speak to the school. Emphasise that you are not complaining about the child but that you are concerned about some of the behaviour he displays towards your son and you would like to discuss what can be done to prevent your son being hit.

Ilovelurchers · 16/03/2024 16:25

As many others have said, please speak to the school as a matter of urgency. They might not be aware of what is happening. Ask them to ask a counsellor or similar to speak to your son about how he might manage this friendship if he chooses to continue it......

Gettingonmygoat · 16/03/2024 16:28

What kind of mother allows their child to be abused, FFS woman put an end to bullying now.

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