To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

[Redrosetat]

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

I amazed that Truss' bill even got close to being debated, given she was quite low down on the list of Private Members Bill's many of which don't get debated in every parliamentary session.

Perhaps those who are so exercised by it should write to their MPs suggesting changes to the parliamentary standing orders to ensure more Private Members bills get time to be debated.

She's on 74% right now.

I think a lot of posters here don't really understand what a PMB is and how the process works.

In the interests of factual accuracy I would like to point out that PMBs that are far down the list are often not debated, so to say that Truss' bill was meant to be debated today is untrue.

Does anyone know why the bill wasn't debated while Truss was PM?

And the Children Not In School debate was below Liz Truss' and presumably wasn't debated either.

I doubt that the Conservatives care much about the safety of women, children or anyone who is vulnerable and costs money.

You posted this on AIBU, that was your big mistake.
This is not a place for sensible discussion.

Does anyone know why the bill wasn't debated while Truss was PM?

To be fair she was a bit busy crashing the economy and sacking highly respected senior officials.

I actually have no issue with trans healthcare for adults only. We treat adults as adults in other areas of healthcare after all.

Conversion therapy is something I'm wary of - if someone identifies as transgender, there absolutely should be in depth assessment and therapy to address any mental health issues that are present, and if these are not addressed there should not be a recommendation to proceed. However, conversion therapy as in 'telling someone that they are not trans and that to say you are means you are mentally ill' isn't acceptable. It's not that far from conversion therapy for homosexuality. Having said that, I'm fundamentally opposed to banning things - any therapy in that direction however should only be given if the person in question actively wants it.

I want separate prison facilities for transmen and transwomen. For their safety as well as everyone else's. I want third spaces. I want safe spaces for biological women, but I do wonder about how we would test that without becoming extremely invasive - balancing that with the right to privacy could prove very difficult. I don't want men in women's sports - again separate events should be the norm.

But mostly what I want is for people to hold the people in power responsible for their failings, not a hypothetical government that we probably won't get until next year. We have a Conservative government, so why do I never see any threads about what they aren't doing to safeguard women?

I find this is usually the case with these kinds of Labour threads voting yanbu is high but posts go in other direction

The Tories started the whole thing in the first place! Teresa May's Government proposed a bill to allow people to self identify as their chosen gender without any medical evidence or examination. The whole procedure was also made easier by putting it online, so anyone could effectively apply and for a nominal fee instead of the previous £140.

The whole thing was championed by the then Women and Equalities Minister, Liz Truss, who thought it was splendid. Below I have quoted what she said at the time:

In an attempt to combat lengthy NHS waiting lists for transgender people, Truss said the government was opening three new gender clinics this year. Truss said she was “deeply concerned at the distress” the long waiting lists could cause and the move should result in them being cut by about 1,600 patients by 2022.

Where were you OP when all this was happening? It's also worth noting that all the bad stuff has happened exclusively under the Tories' watch. You know, the 14 long painful years they've been in power. Where have you been all this time?

Badenoch's tweet is infuriating and misleading. She is a liar, like all the rest of the Tories.

The Tories started the whole thing in the first place!

This isn’t correct you need to look up the GRA 2004

OP, in case you hadn't noticed, the Tories are in government. They have been in government for the last 14 years. They have a majority in Parliament. If they want to change the law on single sex spaces, the Labour Party cannot stop them.

I share your frustration with the Labour Party on this issue, but for as long as they're in opposition, it doesn't matter. If the Tories want to change the law, they can. They didn't have to put it through as a PMB... they chose to do it like that, knowing that it would fail.

It seems to me that they're more interested in political point scoring rather than actually changing the law. And it's working... you have completely fallen for it.

Where should one have a debate about why rape has been decriminalised?

OK I'm back, having skim read the debate

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2024-03-15/debates/CD456FEB-9942-469A-9841-6A9224220284/AnimalWelfare(ImportOfDogsCatsAndFerrets)Bill

Bill debated for 4 hours, 9.30 to 1.30. There were 2 sections with lots of detail about ferrets, 1 quite close to the start (10.20 ish) and one right at the end. Both lasted 10 mins. One was Labour, one was Conservative.

Therefore my conclusion is the debate about ferrets is nothing to do with why Truss' bill wasn't reached.

It's always worth fact checking Badenoch because she has a particular relationship with accuracy

https://www.politico.eu/article/kemi-badenoch-vs-the-world-everyone-the-tory-rising-star-has-beefed-with/

The sainted Kemi??? 🙄

If the Tories want to change the law, they can. They didn't have to put it through as a PMB... they chose to do it like that, knowing that it would fail

Exactly! PMBs are normally basically used for member's niche interests, which is why they rarely pass.

Badenoch is giving the impression to the less well informed that this was a government bill which Labour has somehow prevented being heard.

This isn’t correct you need to look up the GRA 2004

And you need to look up the GRA 2017.

Our only chance is at the ballot box. Get the Tories out.

I'm confused, I thought that Brexit meant that we had taken back control of our borders, and now I learn that ferrets with all manner of names are smuggling themselves into the country. Do they come on boats? Should they also be shipped to Rwanda?

What has this to do with anything?

Yeah I watch the voting (on lots of AIBU threads) and the Labour/trans ones do seem to work differently.

On most the % settles within the first couple of pages and then stays fairly constant.

On these ones the voting is very high anti-Labour very quickly and then the numbers tend to balance out a bit more as time goes on.

It's strange and I wonder why it happens.
I'd love a look at MNHQ stats to do some proper analysis on it 🤓

Like on this one, I'm sure when i went to look at hansard 30 mins ago it was 76 %, now it's 74%
🤔

Yes, I'm aware of the GRA and there's a link below for anyone else interested. The GRA had different and stricter criteria. Anyone reading the link might be interested to see that Penny Mordaunt affirmed the position that "transgender women are women" in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Recognition_Act_2004

I'm concerned that Truss may soon be on Gove's list of extremists and not be allowed to interact with government departments. This might mean she was no longer able to introduce these Private Members Bills that the government is too busy to introduce.

75% of voters on this thread agree with OP though.