To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

[Redrosetat]

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

'Socrates famously characterised democracy as the rule of the unwise, corrupt mob. Like children loose in a candy store, the democratic herd pursues pleasure only, rewarding sweet-talkers and flatterers with the power of political office, who in turn exploit politics for their own gratification'. So, not much has changed in a few thousand years.

That being said, the Tories certainly dont have the moral high ground. They have thrown a hand grenade into the economy and are busy salting the earth for the next incoming government. If they cared about women, they wouldn't have scrapped Sure Start and slashed funding for womens and children's services, as per a previous pp.

Imo they are using trans issues as a foot in the door for a US style right wing style of government and all womens rights will be at risk.

Why aren’t Labour supporting women and children’s rights via the equality act? Why don’t they make biological sex a protected characteristic?

Why didn’t they want to discuss it in parliament today??

Why are they seemingly content to disenfranchise millions of women?

I'm so weary of this. Today, some polls came out which look really bad for the government, so boom! Kemi stokes the culture wars again.

The Conservatives are in government. They could legislate to sort this. Why are none of you asking them why they aren't doing anything?

Exactly this.

Women and children live in houses and 309 Conservatives voted against rented homes having to be fit for human habitation, no Labour, Liberal or SNP voted against it. Tories think that it’s ok for women and children to live in houses that are not fit for for human habitation, that tells me everything that I needed to know, they’re obviously not protecting women and children. Deeds mean more than words.

Are you ignoring the fact that we know that the conservatives aren't doing enough and in the run up to the election the way that the opposition party behave in regard to issues that voters find important is relevant?

The culture wars point doesn't make a blind bit of difference to how I feel about the way Labour is handling this issue.

I think it is disgraceful that after seeing the harms done to women and children, which are demonstrable and evidenced, the Labour party is doubling down. This is not just today, it is generally, it is the Labour party position.

People need to know what they are voting for. Why you don't want us to talk about this is beyond me. I. don't want another Tory government either but I don't want Labour to come in and double down, which is there current intention.

The ONLY way to stop this is by talking about it and letting the Labour Party know that the electorate care about women and children wrt their stance on trans issues.

I totally agree.

The Tory government do nothing but talk on this topic.

Why not criticise their failures?

It seems such an odd position if it is the Labour's view that the conservatives intend to leverage trans issues to signal a shift to the right to the population, that they don't just underline some basic and common truth. Sex and biology is important, everyone should be afforded safety and dignity - including women and children, the freedom to think and speak clearly and truthfully is important.

I mean, seriously.

what has this got to do with the fact that we want laws to be passed to specifically protect children from harms from 'trans health care', harms that are recognised by the Cass review and the NHS, and that we want women's rights to single sex spaces to be enshrined in law?

Why can't Labour do all of the wonderful things AND do the right thing by women and children on this issue?

Why can’t we have a debate to see where people stand?

This avoidance is ludicrous and detrimental to women and children

You might agree with Labour on this idk but we at least need to hear positions so women can decide

It’s ridiculous we still have so little clarity

Not only that but she’s Equalities minister and didn’t even show up in the Commons today. The Tories have had 14 years, four of them with a massive majority, if they’re so concerned what have they been doing all this time.

The bill you are talking about was an animal welfare bill, brought by a Conservative MP. That MP deserved to have her bill fully debated just as much as Truss did.

Badenoch is being extremely disrespectful to her colleague to imply her bill (which was important) was about ferrets and brought by Labour because they are scared of Truss.

I would be hopping mad if I was Selaine Saxby MP.

Why can't Labour do all of the wonderful things AND do the right thing by women and children on this issue?

Yes, I'd like to know this too. What are they achieving by being so careless and slippery with the rights of women and children?

Have you failed to notice that the government - you know, the ones with all the power - isn’t Labour?

I mean given that the Tories have done such a bad job on this and everything else you would think this would be a gift horse to Labour.

All of the bad things have happened under Tory watch, in terms of male rapists in womens prisons, males competing in women's sport, a woman being raped by a trans woman on an NHS women's single sex ward then told it could not have happened because there was no man there etc etc. Children being given harmful experimental puberty blockers and on pathways to body modification. All of this under the Tories.

So what is Labour going to do?

That's right they've seen all of the harm and are going to double down.

Yet we have to all ignore this because we should be so tribal and the only important thing here is to get the Tories out.

This is how bad laws happen.

These bad laws harm women and children.

If we don't stand up to Labour on this we are complicit. If we know and do nothing we are complicit.

I am not saying vote Tory. I don't vote Tory. I am saying we need to be telling the Labour Party that this is unacceptable. They are not following the science and the evidence.

And how does this curtail their ability to speak thoughtfully and carefully about the rights of women and children?

This has been dealt with ad infinitum.

Yes the harms have happened under the Tory Party.

Real demonstrable harms.

Yet the Labour Party sees those harms and want to double down, in spite of evidence of harm to women and scientific proof of harms of gender affirming 'care' to children.

This is just not good enough.

Women are allowed to speak about this, even though you really don't want us to.

Is that the same Truss who used to be Prime Minister, and before that for some time was a senior minister in the government?

Why does she need to introduce a private members bill, surely if the issue at hand was so important to her she would have dealt with it when she was Prime Minister, or insisted that it was addressed while she was in cabinet by the government?

Words are cheap. And accomplish nothing. Truss was actually PM for five minutes, why didn’t she push her bill through then? Badenoch’s currently Equalities minister, why isn’t she making it government policy instead of leaving it to a private members’ bill if it’s so important?

No no no. You’re avoiding the questions. I’m rattled about Labour. We expect more from them. They need to answer these questions.

Why aren’t Labour supporting women and children’s rights via the equality act? Why don’t they commit to make biological sex a protected characteristic?

Why didn’t they want to discuss it in parliament today??

Why are they seemingly content to disenfranchise millions of women?

I’m not asking for a facile response like ‘Oh but but but the tories are worse’, which frankly is all Labour seem to do.

Words are cheap? Really?

Apparently Labour believe the truth is disposable and harmful. I guess words are cheap when women are picking up the tab for your luxury beliefs.

Do you know why the current Equalities MInister wasn't in parliament to discuss this pressing issue today?

Who is the Equalities Minister?

Jesus Christ @Redrosetat. You do live in the same universe as the rest of us, don’t you? Labour hasn’t been in power for 14 years.

I don't want Labour to come in and double down, which is there current intention.

What have they said that makes you think they're going to 'double down'? I'd put good money down on a wager that if the Conservatives brought forward a law banning the use of puberty blockers immediately, Labour would support it. As indeed would I.

I guess words are cheap when women are picking up the tab for your luxury beliefs.

They certainly are when people in government vote against legislation that housing should be fit for human hesitation. Or is having safe, fit for purpose rented housing (as used by women and children) also a luxury belief now?

The world is so much bigger than one issue.