To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

[ballybean]

My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

So the kids will know they’re in there and why, and staff will know as these things are communicated from a safeguarding pov (so we can’t make sure they have registered/not bunked off)…

A glass iso room will make no difference whatsoever to who knows.

It's called punishment

It needs to be not nice - if it's felt to be humiliating that's kind of the point

You can't punish someone without them having sone kind of suffering - mental , physical or emotional

The idea that you can somehow correct anyone without upsetting them is a little odd - but also I think behind a lot of antisocial behaviour/ discipline problems

If it's for "common class behaviour", why are there only three desks.

I'm not keen on it, as humiliation and subsequent can exacerbate the antisocial behaviour, so it's not a solution in the long term.

However, if you're the parent of a well behaved kid, who has this type of behaviour inflicted upon them in every lesson due to our UK inclusionary education policy, you'll probably be happy to see this behaviour held up to account publicly.

As someone who worked in a secondary school for years - The children put in there won’t find it degrading and humiliating I can bet you any money on that - they will see it as a badge of honour and a complete laugh.

I'm sure the punishment for speeding is having to go on a speed awareness course in their own time with other speeders. The first thing they make you do on the course is to state your name and why you were speeding. The humiliation of having to register as a speeder. All miscreants lumped together or to avoid that pay the fine and get points on their licence.

...also means that a teacher can be 1:1 if there's only one kid in there and makes false accusations less likely

The sanctions every other school uses?

It isn't humiliating. You're sitting in the comfort of your own house in front of a camera, the other people involved are people who have sped who are hardly going to heap shame on you, plus the instructor who doesn't honestly care and is probably grateful that you are keeping him/her in a job.

It’s probably not there to humiliate but for the teachers to be able to observe. However I can see how it is partly humiliating, however fear of that humiliation should make the kids behave!

I think OP said the room was for stuff like talking in class though. I was a right goody two shoes at school and even I got told off for talking in class sometimes.

With the sort of behaviour you’re talking about here, I agree a glass room wouldn’t damage them, but surely it wouldn’t do any good either?

When you have no extra staff, timeouts need to be "unmanned" I guess. This seems the same as sitting in the corridor outside the heads office so everyone passing can tut and shake their head. At least they can get on with work if there's a desk.

It would feel more claustrophobic and 'isolating' if they were in a stuffy room in a basement or something. I'd rather be in a glass box. I guess I could try and speak to my mates as they walked past. I guess it's meant to 'display' them to others, so it will be known that X kid was in there. I don't know whether that encourages or discourages bad behaviour. It is not meant to be really fun in there as obviously it's a punishment.

This whole thing of humiliating students, that's suddenly very popular again, blows my mind!

No, it's not ok. It's never ok. It's not ok for parents or family to humiliate their kids as punishment & neither is it for schools.

Why not just put them in stocks in the playground with a ready supply of rotten tomatoes?

At my school I had to suffer constant disruption in class from a group of idiots. I just used to sit there and read the textbooks for 15+ minutes each lesson as they fucked around causing trouble for the teacher.

There's far too much indulgence given to children that ruin things for everybody else.

Stick 'em in the box.

Yep we have one in my DD school, she hates going there, she is there quite often, if she behaved she wouldn’t be there! I’ve got no problem with it. 🤷‍♀️

Why should teachers and well behaved kids who want to learn have these spoiled arseholes in their classrooms though? Presumably they all have ADHD or some other similar 'mental health issue' which makes them behave poorly when in reality they're just entitled little shits who think the world owes them a living. Stick them in isolation.

I can tell you, from experience, it absolutely breaks these boys. To the point of being hospitalised - twice.

Then I suggest if they don’t like it they behave and they won’t have to go in there.

If we are seeking to form empathetic and resilient citizens this does not seem the way to go....

Don’t be so silly. Actions don’t have consequences these days. There’s always something or someone else to blame for abdicating personal responsibility for anything, and always a professional on hand to validate that blame.

Kids who are a pain in the arse do need to be removed from the classroom. I have one who isn’t at all naughty in the sense he’s not rude or violent and he gets outstanding grades but he’s a royal pain in the backside and whatever the teachers say he won’t stop chatting and being silly. To be honest I would be delighted for him to be put in a box if it meant he stopped the constant chat. If he can’t show respect to the teacher trying to teach the class why should they respect him.

They have them in police stations for vulnerable/teenage offenders, it's a observation tool when staffing can't be what it needs to be.
There's not a lot of answers for some young people. Removing from activities is as bad for MH/isolating, detentions can't be given in some cases.

"If we are seeking to form empathetic and resilient citizens this does not seem the way to go...."

Unfortunately that ship has sailed by this age and they aren't in school enough for a high school to turn things around. We need better intervention at primary level.

@HereBeFuckery

What kinds of consequences did seriously disruptive pupils in your post recieve then?
are they send speacial needs pupils then?

Is there 🤔 support for teachers dealing with disruptive pupils that is as bad as that sounds like their behaviours is out of control?

I hope this kind of disruptive behaviours doesn't get swept away under the carpet or dismissed by their parents in anyway?

I really think these disruptive kinds of pupils should be reported to the local social services and even reported to the police

The parents should have to actively get involved with the school to change their behaviours too...

As an ex-headteacher myself I am nt in favour of this type of intervention at all. It massively discriminates against children with SEND and is not effective. We wouldn't do this to adults, so why would we do it to children?

I’m not sure there is much time for reflection or knuckling down to work with people walking past all the time, mates possibly knocking on the glass and making a joke out of things. Seems counterproductive to me.