To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

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My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

Why are you not able to think beyond ‘whose fault is this?’ It’s not a great advert for teachers tbh. Full disclosure, I used to be one. The whole culture is wrong, it’s coming from outside the schools. You can’t fix it with force and bullying. There is research, there are techniques. We needed funding, massive investment. Get angry at the government, not the children. Sunak et al are laughing at you. You need to operate at a higher level. I don’t think many people would suggest that poor behaviour is great for everyone and we should all put up with it. As adults, the question should be WHY is it happening, not who is to blame.

Agree
Im really not that surprised so many schools have so many issues with terrible behaviour from students given the replies on here.

There are consequences for bad behaviour, if parents don’t like the chosen methods used by the school then either chose another school or home school.

That way everyone, teachers and students alike, can spend time teaching and learning and not dealing with unruly behaviour.

Or get angry at the parents who clearly need educating given the last excellent and very informative few posts from @GoodnightAdeline and @Apolloneuro .

Clearly soft techniques are not working and the kids and teachers left in a disruptive classroom are suffering . No wonder no one wants to do the job anymore

I think if you asked this question in real life you might get a bit more nuance. It’s only on MN that saying “I feel uncomfortable with the idea of shaming children publicly” actually means “I think children should do whatever they like with absolutely no consequences”.

Consequences do NOT and should not come in the form of shame & humiliation. Extremely bullying way to deal with disruption and rule breaking.

. . . or the money.

I wonder how much it cost to have a reinforced glass room, capable of holding three workstations, built?

Perhaps the money could have been better spent on a trained and experienced child educational psychologist to spend some regular 1:1 time with these children and get to the root cause of their unrest at school.

Yup when put like that maybe the op needs to actually see what this glass room is? Sure other parents have confirmed it's existence but having not seen it herself maybe she is picturing something completely different to what it actually is.

1. Too many children per class.
2. Teachers over worked, under paid and under appreciated
3. Not enough money or investment to support the children properly or give any more in-depth / individualised attention.
4. Too many parents working (because they have to to have a house, food and live to a reasonable standard) which means there is no one at home as a pre teen / teen when they get in from school. Secondary school children need a lot of support and parent presence / stability. Even if they disappear to their room.

Answer: humiliate the child so they feel bad and look stupid. That should fix things nicely.

So don't say its the perpetrators fault or their parents? It's everyone else's?

Have you read what I wrote at all?

Read the posts above by teachers. Or pop over to the teachers section on MN
The soft approaches previously and by some currently used has not been successful and led to continuing problems and the state of our schools and entitled behaviour of many.

Agree@Whereareallthemillionaires , there’s a lack of appropriate punishment and support for that punishment by the parents..

I do think just sending them home with their parents is the best answer though.

It’s just so much easier to blame everyone else.
It delays bothering to deal with it all.

Exactly.

The important people in school are those trying to work, the rest can take the consequences of the behaviour they choose to exhibit, resources should be first and foremost for those following the rules. If mummsy doesn't think her cherub should be 'humiliated', ie punished, there are probably plenty of other schools.

Fuck me i thought being made to stand staring a wall for an hour not talking to anyone or moving was abusive. Seems we've moved on from that to glass prison cells.

I doubt kids will stand quietly facing a corner anymore 🤣🤣🤣

Such hyperbolic language being used you’d think they were being stripped and sprayed with a hose

Sadly it's what tends to happen when some have no other answer, far less workable alternatives to offer

Well of course it depends on what the pastoral team do. In our LA there's a big push for therapeutic thinking in the attitude towards "punishment" and responses to behaviour.

Yes because if the problem in the first place is to do with parenting that will really help.

It will help the kids in class who actually want to learn.
It will help the teacher….I don’t even need to explain that one

This but as throughout the thread the non problem causing children who want to learn are forgotten about and squashed with the 'will nobody think of the children!!! No not all children, just those ones there,causing the violence, only think of them!'

Well said.👏👏👏
imagine being that parent who didn’t care about their kids education and welfare

Make parents pay for their child's education again. It's free, so worthless.

Yes, this is tongue-in-cheek. But if a person ever visits a third world country (we lived several months in Sri Lanka) where every school child was sent to school each morning in pristine white uniform. The message is that education should be taken very seriously by child and parents. When education is not free beyond primary, parents get very stroppy if there is any adolescent disruptive behaviour. I obviously did not witness the punishments, but I am sure that reports of unruly behaviour or class disruption would have brought down the wrath of the whole family. Only a child who had decided they could get richer quicker outside the system of literacy and legality would be defiant.

OTOH, some parents would never pay secondary charges. I have known such people in the rural UK. If they had been asked to pay, the 12 year old would have been outside in all weathers coppicing with a chainsaw beside his father.

His father supplied firewood; he gave scant measures for high prices, so never got any repeat business. (My DS was friends with the lad in 2015; he was moved into an unheated caravan at 16 to make space for the four younger siblings.) Such parents don't value education but their kids know that there's more to life. Rural and intellectual poverty is still happening in the UK, even in plush counties.

With all due respect...

It serves them bloody well right then. It's their own stupid fault they are in there, so perhaps they will learn their lesson from it.