To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

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My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

The problem with the British system is that all the focus and help goes to the little shits and the other 27 kids are irrelevant.

Kick the disruptive fuckers out of class and let the others learn.

If the disruptive ones leave school with zero qualifications, so what? If they commit crimes, jail them.

I'm entirely serious.

It's not either / or. You can work with a child on their behaviour without harsh punishment without causing trouble for the other children in the class.

And calling them "little shits" is part of the problem.

This is how I feel. I know it’s wildly unpopular. But we’re sinking the ship to ‘save’ the minority (most of whom are unsavable)

I agree about too much attention given to the badly behaved kids. I remember being annoyed when at my school the badly behaved kids were taken to McDonald’s. As a child who behaved you just get ignored and have to put up with so much disruption.

Is it humiliating?

Why were they taken to McDonald's?! Seems like an incentive to misbehave, rather than the reverse.

Oh, of course it isn't.

Okay @Zonder and how is it achieved? Your airy assurance that they need to be treated kindly runs contrary to most of our view? Okay treat kindly, but the general opinion here seems to be that the disruptive kids need sanctions not rewards and treats.

The glass cage seems like a really sensible option. No intervention or supervision necessary. I think I would suggest putting it on the front of the road entry for all the town to see, and ensure that the occupants were the very last off the premises every single day.

It's not about rewards and treats. I've never mentioned those. It's about figuring out what is causing a child to behave in a certain way and working on that. But it's generally easier just to call them little shits and punish them.

Perhaps we could also reinstate the village stocks? Personally I'd like to see that for adults who don't drive properly.

It may seem antiquated to you, but I think bringing back the stocks would be a sensible alternative to prison/young offender institutes. Probably more effective and definitely much cheaper. An afternoon tied up in front of the community in a very busy spot with your charge sheet tied around your neck, no fruit and veg throwing permitted. I think it would discourage most low level youth disruption quickly.

Being shamed publicly for misbehaviour on a live TikTok stream is the perfect antidote. It's a modern punishment for the misdemeanor.

@Zonder, happy to see the bad drivers next to them. The fear of public shame is a powerful inhibitor of bad behaviour.

So while you're working on understanding the behaviour, how do you deal with appalling behaviour choices and the impact on others?

We have children who have experienced significant trauma, had years of support and still display hugely disruptive, violent and challenging behaviour that disrupts many classes each day.

I used to teach in mainstream and felt sorry for the children who behaved and wanted to learn.

Most morning there was a few children who knew that if they swore, flipped tables or threatened other children they would be removed from the class by management. Where to? Some member of managements office and given an iPad! Whilst the rest of the class did maths. Whenever there were any opportunities for gardening clubs or cooking clubs it was these children who got to go (I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be going) just that none of the other children ever seemed to get a chance, the ones who got their heads down, didn’t cause trouble and got on with it.

Lego Club that was another one “Miss Headache I’m not doing Literacy I’m going to Lego Club” said with a smug smile then comes back from Lego Club half way through a lesson and totally disrupts it as he doesn’t know what he’s doing as he’s missed half of it 😡

It's too much to go into here but it involved a culture shift and a lot of training. But I have seen the positive outcomes of schools that have embraced it.

I bet it all comes down to money. Children are being failed as staff cannot split themselves any more ways. Then they quit as they know they're failing despite massive efforts. Which creates even more issues.

There’s usually some kind of excuse anyway. ‘Well yes other children doing this are naughty but mine is anxious/is misunderstood/I suspect needs a diagnosis’ etc

I don't think it's as unpopular as you think, it's just that on MN no child is naughty etc, they have 'issues' so are excused. If schools did not have to waste resources on the minority who constantly misbehave their financial position would be far better.

So why do you think some children misbehave then?

Because people like you lambast those who think these children and their parents have any responsibility for their behaviour, and people like you don't give a shit for those who are assaulted, spat on, sworn at or had their learning disrupted, unless you are chastising them for being unkind? 'Well yes Timmy slashed you across the face, but did you ask why?! How awful of you!!'

This is so not what I've said. But you go ahead and make it up to suit your own agenda.

There's every chance with a majority of them it'll be a multitude of reasons, they haven't had any discipline from womb to classroom, or felt the love of a good parent, or just have parents that don't give a toss and as long as DC is in school/elsewhere but not under their feet causing bother don't see it as a problem and back them all the way because they believe in the old saying "anything for a quiet life", unfortunately it's only said parent having the quiet life until their DC decides otherwise then starts giving it large to them.
That's when they decide DC is no longer their problem and it's left to society to pick up the pieces while they play the victim and blame everyone but themselves.

By then it's far to late and society probably feel had the problems been weeded out from a young age the DC may have stood a chance to make something of their life.

So, what to do?

Firm discipline for parents of said destructive DC...
That'll never happen.

Gauge what kids growing up are going to be shit parents before they start breeding...
Nigh on impossible.

Society turn their back on shit parents stating they had their chance years ago...Now we're washing our hands too.
Again never going to happen.