To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

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My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

Sounds like a TV show hosted by Philip Scofield. Don't think he's allowed near kids any more though.

Almost, not quite. Guilt is the one you feel when you've done something wrong and feel bad about. That's normal and obviously useful, as it makes you feel less likely to do it again.

Guilt is how you feel about what you did. Shame is how you feel about who you are (frequently by people who've experienced abuse). So if my child does something they shouldn't, I want them to feel guilty, which might motivate them to make amends. I don't want them to feel shame in the sense that I don't want them to feel like a worthless human being as that won't motivate them to fix anything and is likely to send them into a spiral of doing other bad things because they've identified themselves as someone who does these things.

It's the modern equivalent of the dunce's cap.

So clearly backwards and inappropriate.

This. We all do wrong. All of us. Kids often do stupid things and have unwanted behaviours because of various complicated factors.
Guilt is an emotion that helps us do better, not repeat mistakes. Shame and humiliation are different.
Children should never ever be made to feel shame. Ever.

OP comment ‘the school hasn’t got major behavioural problems’

Maybe that’s because no one wants to sit in the glass box

Humiliation isn't an acceptable punishment and it's worrying that you think it is.

Scary to know that likely most of these posters saying it's a good thing are also parents 😣

Hope it's just the trolls instead.

It is publicly accessible, OP said staff and pupils walk past.

Totally agree that in those examples money might come into it, making changes or improving provision can do that. However, having to figure out how to fund something or change something is in no way a justification for continuing or sanctioning outdated and harmful practices.

From the perspective of a parent of another child in the school, this is a cracker of an idea. It moves the problem on completely.
For those with a legal responsibility towards the pupil in question it is a safeguarding nightmare. If the child is unmanageable at school what are the chances they are compliant students at home? They are likely to end up involved in criminal exploitation. I know people say "school isn't childcare" but of course it is. Heads spend more time on pupil safety and safeguarding as they do on teaching and learning, sadly.

This is a such a great post, I hope everyone on this thread reads it. Shame is so destructive.

They don't have to dick around and get put in it 🤷🏻‍♀️

Lots of Mumsnetters think humiliation is good for kids because it “teaches them resilience”.

I can only presume these are the same posters who claimed on another thread that being the kid who is left over in PE after the team captains have picked everyone else in the class (while the team who gets stuck with you groans in despair) is a good way of learning your limitations…

Good. Children who act out and disrupt the class should feel embarrassed. Life isn’t going to get any easier for them.

Ah I take it you don't have a child who's education has been severely disrupted by a fellow child in their class then? 🙄

Badly behaved adults in the workplace can be warned then sacked. It's a bit difficult to sack a child.....
Perhaps those worrying about sanctions affecting the mental health of badly behaved children should be more worried about badly behaved children affecting the mental health of their teachers.

It’s amazing how many people here, clearly including some who work with children and are meant to have a basic understanding of human behaviour, don’t understand AT ALL the fact that more than one thing can be going on at once inside a person. The subject in the glass box may in fact be exhibiting a gung-ho attitude/badge of honour etc. They may ALSO be experiencing deep shame AT THE SAME TIME. Wild concept. They may carry this memory for the rest of their lives. The behaviours and feelings may even be connected. It says everything about the culture of our country and schools that some people think that all this is fine and we just need to bully people a bit harder until they comply.

No.

We think that teaching consequences for actions is good for kids.

Yeah it's like they've completely forgotten what it's like to be a child.

Or never understood that the dunces cap was discontinued for a good reason.

And so the cycle of abuse continues...

Abuse?
Teach your child to behave and their school won't have to.

Quite. Hop over to the staffroom forum and see how restorative practises have resulted in the worst behaved children teachers with 30+ years of experience have ever seen. Aggressive, entitled, apathetic, just vile. If soft restorative consequences worked they should be the most well adjusted kids yet.

Yes, beautiful post.

Yep. Young relative of mine is an amazing, passionate teacher.

Currently looking for another job because he can’t work in the zoo anymore. Not allowed to sanction/can only reward.

Obviously the feckin #bekind head of behaviour never actually teaches any classes….

As a teacher myself I could not agree with this more.

What really devastates me is the impact this policy has on the children sat there wanting to learn, trying not to cry whilst the chaos surrounds them.

I don't think anyone has actually said that there shouldn't be any consequences. You can apply firm consequences without humiliation. If you can't appreciate the separation - even if you still choose to use humiliation in your own life - then you are the problem, I'm sorry if that's hard for you to hear.

Posters are all ‘is there a study for that, I only listen to experts’ until the experts with experience tell them what they don’t want to hear, then they just ignore it.

So, sadly, none of them will listen to you, or any of your experienced fellow teachers.