I am not voting for Labour or Con…

[EddyF]

What party can I vote for that may have a chance? I do not want to waste a vote but may have to. As a young(ish) Black woman, none of the above present me. I was born here as were my parents. Originally from East Africa. Spent a lot of holidays there as a child but not so much as an adult, otherwise I would seriously think of going back to live there.

I have always voted Labour but they are disappointing. For the first time, I am thinking of not voting but it does not sit right within me.

I might try the Green Party I guess.

What don't you like about the ECHR other than it prevents the deportation of refugees?

Which rights are you willing to give up for yourself?

They plan to opt us out of human rights acts so illegal migrants just get sent back to the country that was their last port of call before UK. Meaning all the money spent putting them up in 4 star hotels isn't spent.

Sounds so simple doesn't it? Except you can't just deposit asylum seekers back somewhere, under international law, not ECHR. Unless you want to start a war. The only reason we have huge hotel bills is current governments plan to weaponise asylum seeking, which so many people have fallen for, hook, line, and sinker. We are a part of the world, it seems people are wanting the UK to become some weird gated community, without seeking to understand that we have no leverage in the world and will forever need to cooperate with others. No drawbridge to pull up, get real people!

Tbf Aus do do this and still part of international organisations and no war

Having only ever voted Labour, I won’t vote for them this time. Unless they commit to supporting women’s biological rights.

Not sure who I will vote for though.

This article explains the ‘Labour against women issues’. It’s a bit aggressive but it is factual.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/13/tyranny-in-drag/

Spiked online

You don't have to vote for someone. Voting against a party is a valid choice. I don't like the government, so I'm going to vote against them - in my area this means voting LibDem as they have the best chance of beating the Tory incumbent.

I struggle with this too.
Not voting tories as they have no direction, infighting and no idea how to get our country out of its current mess, no regard for schools or nhs

Not voting Labour as Gordon Brown decimated my Dads pension pot, and after working from 16 years old, he can't afford to fully retire and he is 73. A pretty healthy 73, but still shouldn't have to work at his age and wouldn't have had to if Gordon Brown hadn't stolen from him. And they also don't seem to have a clue.

And I had a Labour MP in my antenatal group who told me us some very interesting things about labours plans on a boozy night out, and then messaged us the next day basically threatening us to keep quiet as had clearly said more than should have. And pretends to be 'working class by putting on a fake accent when on tv/campaign trail and moaned about how hard she has it with a full time Nanny, a daily cleaner, a gardener and 3 x million pound houses and a husband on a 6 figure salary whilst moaning how little mps get paid. She lost her seat 'up north' but is now standing for election for Labour where I live so not a chance I'm voting for that hypocritical fake.

Used to be a fan of lib dems but they are very quiet now

In a country of so many bright minds, how is it we are stuck with this crappy lot to run our country?

As they are illegal immigrants so you can send them back. Make them apply legally. And as most come across the channel from France tow them back. Stop sending our life boats to collect them a couple of miles from France.

Oh. Wokery. 🤣

😂

They are not illegal immigrants, seeking asylum is not illegal

As for making them apply legally, how? Even Braverman couldn't answer that question.

In a country of so many bright minds, how is it we are stuck with this crappy lot to run our country?

The Americans must be asking themselves the very same thing.

Perhaps it’s a failing of modern-day democracy.

Setting up legal methods isn’t the hard part, we are already do it with about 60k per year using it.

The hard part is not ending up with both. If it’s 60k or 100k safe routes you’ll still have traffickers selling for huge profit.

Still cheaper than the Rwanda plan and much more humane

As they are illegal immigrants so you can send them back. Make them apply legally. And as most come across the channel from France tow them back. Stop sending our life boats to collect them a couple of miles from France.

As has been pointed out below, they are not illegal immigrants until they have been assessed. There are no safe routes for refugees to apply, and arriving and immediately applying for asylum is not illegal. You cannot just tow them back to France, from both an international law point of view, as well as diplomatic point of view, as well as humanitarian point of view. You do know these are people right? The RNLI is a voluntary organisation for saving lives at sea. It is not a branch of the government, or allied to any refugee organisation.

I have to vote LibDem to get rid of the Tory MP in my constituency because that is the next biggest party here. If I were to vote Labour, I would actually be aiding the Tory candidate by taking a vote away from the LibDem candidate.
You may also wish to check how you need to vote to get rid of the Tory MP in your area (ps in Scotland every SNP MP is one less MP for Labour and thus aids the Tories in getting back into power).

Do you think that the UK would give permission for asylum seekers who have left to be returned? Why do you think France would? The reason it is so hard to return asylum seekers, even to their country of origin, is because in may cases they are not wanted or we simply have no idea where they are from. If someone without a passport (and they all destroy their passport if they have one on arrival) turns up, where exactly do you send them back to?

Why would it be cheaper?

You’ll just have two versions of entry. Across the channel still and higher numbers. If you have 100k one way and 40k another it’s not going to be cheap, and you’ll still have drownings.

I know, they are in same mess as us
Biden vs Trump. Starmer vs Sunak. Its 2 sides of the same coin

I just can't understand it. Blair and Cameron at least gave the appearance of being credible. Thatcher was authoritative and had a clear direction (possibly not the best direction, but at least she appeared to have a plan).
Same in America, Obama again appeared credible and likable.

But we now seem to have descended into bumbling fool territory. I wonder if its partly social media - everyone is very focused on how they look,cultivating their 'brand' rather than just trying to get the job done

You need to look at the vote swing in your constituency to see if there is another party where your vote will 'count'. Tactical voting is a bore and a shame, as is forever being in a two-horse race, but we are where we are.

Whatever party you definitely do not want to see in majority, I would vote for the other one. It may not give you any sense of convictions, but it is realistic.

Saying all that, voting for ANY party you have conviction in, even one that will never gain a majority will never be a wasted vote.

You could be correct. Social media is a relatively new thing. That and the internet’s ease of enabling corruption and lies.

This captures it.
Yes, we probably want labour in, at the pretty low bar that they can't be any worse than the current lot
But we also want a strong opposition, so don't want a complete landslide victory. When a party feels it can do what it wants without critical review from another standpoint, thats when things move yo the extreme left or right, which isn't helpful. Equally having such a small majority that they can't get anything through parliament also isn't helpful as nothing moves forward.

...and Labour thanks you for half of your vote :D

Except...they aren't illegal immigrants. At the point that they arrive, they're asylum seekers. It's only once they're processed and their application dealt with that they can become illegal immigrants.

I don't understand why so many don't seem to comprehend this.

The problem is that the UK government seems determined to avoid putting in the work to actually sort out the system for making that determination. It's almost as if they don't want the problem solved, because if they leave it hanging in the air it's a really handy rallying cry for the election.

Here it’s always a toss up between Con/LD - Labour come nowhere. Currently LD. TBH I think the LDs are pretty hopeless, but I suppose I’ll have to vote for them, to keep the Tory candidate out.
I will never not vote, though.
I did once vote for the Monster Raving Loony candidate, when I was utterly pissed off with the lot of them, but we haven’t had a MRL candidate for ages.