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I am not voting for Labour or Con…

469 replies

EddyF · 14/03/2024 08:13

What party can I vote for that may have a chance? I do not want to waste a vote but may have to. As a young(ish) Black woman, none of the above present me. I was born here as were my parents. Originally from East Africa. Spent a lot of holidays there as a child but not so much as an adult, otherwise I would seriously think of going back to live there.

I have always voted Labour but they are disappointing. For the first time, I am thinking of not voting but it does not sit right within me.

I might try the Green Party I guess.

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Papyrophile · 21/03/2024 22:44

But of course, it will mean our tax money is spent in another country, and won't fund your pet projects.

DuncinToffee · 21/03/2024 22:52

Clavinova · 21/03/2024 22:43

Chris Patten is a complete Europhile and former EU commissioner - he was previously suggested as a candidate for the EU commission presidency.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/17/eu.politics2

I was expecting for your dismissal Grin

How's brexit going?

ntmdino · 21/03/2024 22:55

User135644 · 21/03/2024 22:11

Reform will push them further right on immigration which has got out of hand.

And you see that as a good thing, a reason to vote them in?

They're actually responsible for the state of immigration - they've systematically and consistently degraded the border controls through budget cuts and increased red tape at every step in the last 14 years, while claiming that something needs to be done.

And you think that years 15-20 are the ones where they really, honestly will do something, pinky promise this time?

Sillypede · 21/03/2024 23:08

@Papyrophile Then why on earth would you want public funds being used to fill the pockets of private healthcare companies? Or be averse to clawing back some of that unearned wealth from those that have profited?

I've not seen any suggestions regarding a wealth tax in the UK that would touch anyone with less than 3.4million. Either the one off tax versions or the rolling, incremental versions.

Btw, my 40s were sometime ago and I won't be making it to 67, so your pension advice is a bit redundant.

Barbadossunset · 21/03/2024 23:14

@Papyrophile
Where are you planning on moving to? I admire people who move abroad at a later age (I’m the same age as you, btw) but I would find it a huge upheaval and would find learning another language fluently enough to organise my life out there a big effort.

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 09:04

There's been a 68% increase in one year in the number of people who don't have enough food to 3.7 million people

but people will vote for the same because of immigration and knowing what a woman is?

I am not voting for Labour or Con…
Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 09:10

UK politicians ‘Not knowing what a woman is’ has the potential to directly negatively affect 51% of the females in the U.K. I’d say that’s around 34million people.

In addition people are not necessarily saying they will ’vote for the same’, only that they probably won’t vote Labour.

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 09:12

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 09:10

UK politicians ‘Not knowing what a woman is’ has the potential to directly negatively affect 51% of the females in the U.K. I’d say that’s around 34million people.

In addition people are not necessarily saying they will ’vote for the same’, only that they probably won’t vote Labour.

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So what about women and children in poverty? You want to address that?

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 09:12

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 09:12

So what about women and children in poverty? You want to address that?

Obviously

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 09:15

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 09:12

Obviously

So you will be voting to get the Tories out then?

Which does not necessarily means voting Labour, all depends on where you live.

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 09:44

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 09:15

So you will be voting to get the Tories out then?

Which does not necessarily means voting Labour, all depends on where you live.

I haven’t decided who I am voting for yet. I have never voted for the Conservatives. However the way labour ignores and won’t even discuss sex-based rights, means they will never get my vote again unless they address the issue.

Currently they’ve ignored letters about sex based rights, won’t discuss sex based rights on the door step and have filibustered discussion about children and women’s sex-based rights in parliament. They are a disgrace. It is embarrassing for their floundering politicians. I’m not even mentioning their Actual treatment of ‘gc’ women within their own party and others. Or maybe I will. There’s more of this of course.

Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyes in all his glory

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hi5bw

See at about 04:00

Miriam Cates and Lloyd Russell-Moyle heated row over Gender Reform Bill - video Dailymotion

Miriam Cates, Conservative MP for Penistone and Stocksbridge, raises safeguarding concerns about Scotland's Gender Reform Bill and Lloyd Russell-Moyle, Labour MP for Brighton, accuses her of bigotry and transphobia.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hi5bw

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 10:02

And how is that addressing the rise in child poverty?

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 10:19

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 10:02

And how is that addressing the rise in child poverty?

I never said it was.

ilovesooty · 22/03/2024 11:14

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 10:02

And how is that addressing the rise in child poverty?

The single issue voters obsessed with sex based rights don't seem to care much about child poverty.

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 11:59

ilovesooty · 22/03/2024 11:14

The single issue voters obsessed with sex based rights don't seem to care much about child poverty.

or NHS waiting lists, social care, SEN education, courts backlog, GP and dentistry services, etc etc

ilovesooty · 22/03/2024 12:16

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2024 11:59

or NHS waiting lists, social care, SEN education, courts backlog, GP and dentistry services, etc etc

Absolutely. Just their own little bubble, notwithstanding the effect of all these things on the lives of vulnerable women and children.

Pieceofpurplesky · 22/03/2024 12:23

The single issue voters obsessed with sex based rights don't seem to care much about child poverty.

Or even the plight of women in poverty

justteanbiscuits · 22/03/2024 12:31

I could never be a one issue voter - because I'm not just voting for me.

I'm in an area where next election will see me in a different constituency. I only need look at the current Tory MP's voting record to know he stands for just a out everything I don't. Voted against gay marriage, voted against landlords being liable for the cost of needed safety works, voted against secure tenancies, voted to make it easier to strip someone if their UK citizenship, voted for mass surveillance of communication, a voted for lower benefits for the disabled, votes against anything to help climate change, voted against improvements to water quality... I could go on.

It was traditionally a safe seat... But a very awesome female Labour member has stood against him. But last election she only lost by 1200 votes, so yes, I will be doing what I can to help her win this time. A lib dem vote would only be helping the Tory MP.

Jovacknockowitch · 22/03/2024 13:50

Livelovebehappy · 21/03/2024 20:48

The comments on here from some Labourites convince me of the reasons why I shouldn’t vote Labour. One supporter even admitted in an earlier post that Labour are just playing the game to get into power, then old Labour will rear its ugly head. And some of us can remember how ugly Labour used to be. The younger ones on here would do well to look at what previous Labour governments have done when in power. It’s not a pretty picture.

What a load of utter drivel.

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 14:06

Interesting stuff here regarding Labour politicians and donors. It is about the one issue that doesn’t just affect ‘me’ (🙄), rather the approx 33 MILLION FEMALES in this country.

To suggest that this issue is not significant as ‘it is just one issue’, is disingenuous to say the least, and short -sighted at best.

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

Labour Party & Anthony Watson

Labour Party Donor and GLAAD who keep a list of Non-Compliant Women like a version of the Rainbow Stasi

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 14:09

Perhaps why lovely OJ has taken against Wes Streeting

I am not voting for Labour or Con…
I am not voting for Labour or Con…
Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 14:20

Jovacknockowitch · 22/03/2024 13:50

What a load of utter drivel.

What an educational and constructive response.

ilovesooty · 22/03/2024 14:23

None of your links will make any difference as far as I'm concerned. I've no time for single issue voters and my priority is to get the Tories out.

Your priorities are different but don't expect others to agree with you.

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 14:30

@ilovesooty It is peculiar that you think women’s sex based rights are a single issue. Women’s rights are a foundation for all females in this country. It is an issue that affects many other things. The fact that you and others are blind to that, says a lot.

You do not want to read or accept information that might challenge your views, that’s ok, cognitive dissonance is common in politics.

ilovesooty · 22/03/2024 14:35

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 14:30

@ilovesooty It is peculiar that you think women’s sex based rights are a single issue. Women’s rights are a foundation for all females in this country. It is an issue that affects many other things. The fact that you and others are blind to that, says a lot.

You do not want to read or accept information that might challenge your views, that’s ok, cognitive dissonance is common in politics.

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Whatever. I've accepted that your views differ from mine. Now you should have the courtesy to do the same. This prodding and lecturing has made me even less likely to take the views you espouse on board.

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