I am not voting for Labour or Con…

[EddyF]

What party can I vote for that may have a chance? I do not want to waste a vote but may have to. As a young(ish) Black woman, none of the above present me. I was born here as were my parents. Originally from East Africa. Spent a lot of holidays there as a child but not so much as an adult, otherwise I would seriously think of going back to live there.

I have always voted Labour but they are disappointing. For the first time, I am thinking of not voting but it does not sit right within me.

I might try the Green Party I guess.

Not really. Preston tonight showed a poll about the swing to Reform. 70% are swinging from voting Tory. Only 4% are swinging from Labour.

So what are you basing enthusiasm on? Hearsay? What is a more accurate indicator of enthusiasm in the population? Genuinely interested.

This is total wishful thinking and self-delusion. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

Latest YouGov poll really backs up the "zero enthusiasm for Starmer's Labour from the general public"

Labour lead at 25 points in latest YouGov poll for The Times

CON 19 (-1)
LAB 44 (=)
LIB DEM 9 (=)
REF UK 15 (+1)
GRN 8 (+1)

Fieldwork 19 - 20 March

edited to add link
https://x.com/lara_spirit/status/1770685592264700387?s=20

presumably as an indication of enthusiasm for Labour

Not at all. It’s not 1997. There will be no euphoria among Labour voters with a Labour win, just heartfelt relief.

Responding in detail to your post is beyond the scope of a MN post, and my time. There are many posts already here and online with the information you are asking for.

Suffice to say I was referring to the fact that women as a legal biological sex category have now ceased to exist. This is because males are now legally enabled to call them selves women. You will understand that this makes a category of ‘women’ redundant in terms of biological women’s rights. The ones I mention in my initial post and more.

You ask for evidence of legally enabled sex mutilation. I attach examples here. There are more.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/breast-binders-in-uk-schools/

And so I repeat.

If the Labour Party wanted my vote again, they would stand up for woman’s and children’s rights. Sadly they are not doing this. I don’t know why, I really don’t know why, unless it’s the influence of their donors. It would be such an easy ‘win’ for Labour. Perhaps they think they don’t need to. They could be wrong. The movement for women’s and children’s rights is growing, and people are seeing, day by day, how their rights have been taken away by the extreme gender ideology bull shit - which Labour are taken in by. If they are not - they need to do something about it.

Asking you to outline what rights I have lost as a woman is not beyond the scope of an MN post what so ever. It is obviously beyond what you can be bothered to do is all.

And your "mutilation" screenshots (not links so I could follow them, just very edited screen shots) is about a 17 year old and her parents. Her parents were trying to block it. The very important part you have missed out in your lack of information and pearl clutching screenshot is the following:

"But a High Court judge has refused to grant the injunction saying that while their child was only 17, they would turn 18 within days of the hearing and would therefore be able to give consent to gender-affirming treatment as an adult."

So actually, the judge ruled that it was basically just pointless granting the injunction as it would only be in effect for a few days. Once the young person turned 18 - "within days of the hearing" - they would be able to give consent as an adult. Which also means that no child was "mutilated" as surgery also would not have been able to happen in those few days before they turned 18.

Rather than just scream how evil trans people are, I actually fight for improved access to services. Safe information to prevent damage, and most importantly, access to adequate psychological services to ensure that the right decision re gender afforming surgery is the right choice. Because yes, of course there are people currently rushing into it without this psychological support and making mistakes. By providing good care it can help reduce this. By blocking it out and refusing to allow young people support when they are questioning is when they will rush into surgery when they reach 18. In the same way we know that teaching abstinence rather than safe sex doesn't prevent young people having sex, it just encourages dangerous sex, refusing support for young people who are questioning their gender doesn't stop young people from trying to access help - it just forces people into unsafe help.

Rather than just scream how evil trans people are.

You are not listening. I’m not talking about trans people. I’m talking about women’s sex based rights.

Trans people like all people deserve respect, just not at the expense of women’s and children’s rights.

I’m largely GC in a 70s feminist way, and I also believe some spaces and events should be based on biological sex, but a lot of the rhetoric here disturbs me a bit. Can I just ask, @Redrosetat , when you say ”Suffice to say I was referring to the fact that women as a legal biological sex category have now ceased to exist. This is because males are now legally enabled to call them selves women.” - is that also true of men as a sex category?

And btw, human brains do not fully develop until about the age of 22- 25yrs old. And more importantly the last part to develop fully is the prefrontal cortex; which is responsible for skills like making good decisions, prioritising and controlling impulses.

What rights? That is what I asked. What rights have I, as a woman, lost?

4% of reform's voters coming from Labour voters (according to a poll a pp has mentioned)

Membership of the Labour Party has fallen since Starmer took control. That's a fact.

From 5 days ago https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/labour-members-leaving-party-over-diane-abbott-suspension-activists-claim/ar-BB1jZzFl

I joined the LPYS in 1981, always voted Labour at General Elections, canvassed, campaigned, got involved in the wider Labour Movement. There are thousands like me who have left and won't vote for the trilateral commission's man.

They should still get in, but there's zero evidence there's any enthusiasm for them.

You mean can women now legally call themselves men? Yes.

As a single parent and carer for my parents, alongside being a teacher the tories have done nothing for me as a woman. Before I even think about 'trans women are women' I want a government who will help the masses of women on the breadline, in poverty and without support. Whilst I know the responses here will be 'but soon there won't be women/trans women are taking over' etc my vote must go to those that need immediate help. I can't be a one issue voter.

So it’s not an attack on women then? It’s a development that needs questioning and thinking through, but it doesn’t show contempt for women at all…

I’ve got work to do but as you insist, though it is obvious. You’ve lost any rights that meant you had a position as a biological female. I referred to some examples a few posts ago. Listen if you cannot understand (or will not understand because it doesn’t suit your narrative), there is little point in discussing it further.

Of course it doesn’t. Nor does it make women cease to exist.

😂 ok Sherlock

😂 nope you’re correct. I’m still here.

So I have lost my right to maternity leave?

Sorry, I don’t understand. Are you agreeing with me? Why the laughter? Why the Sherlock reference when I just followed your own point…

Labour will get my vote. I will take a gamble if it means the conservatives are no longer in power. Anything has to be better than the situation we are in right now.

This isn't how it works - it's too early, if they reveal their cards at this stage that gives the opposition the opportunity to reshuffle their cards and re-allocate spending. They will likely reveal the majority of their policies in their manifesto, until then they'll want to keep a lid on it.