That puberty blockers should not be promoted for children by any charities or celebrities for children.

[WandaWomblesaurus]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68549091.amp

https://archive.ph/hmIvY

Loads of news today about the NHS stopping puberty blockers being given to children who think they are trans. Puberty blockers are sometimes prescribed for children who have precocious puberty, however a narrative that has been pushed by Mermaids, Stonewall and celebrities like India Willoughby and Emma Watson (who gave a large donation to Mermaids) - that puberty blockers are safe and "lifesaving"

WPATH guidelines in the USA which the UK NHS have followed in procedure have had leaked documents and videos showing that they knew that children didn't have the ability to understand the long term effects.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/09/disturbing-leaks-from-us-gender-group-wpath-ring-alarm-bells-in-nhs

https://archive.ph/h0BtF

And a new Finnish Study debunks the idea that children who say they are trans are more suicidal https://archive.ph/h0BtF

However Mermaids, Stonewall and India Willoughby are pushing puberty blockers as safe.

https://x.com/stonewalluk/status/1767603259932361036?s=

https://www.tiktok.com/@mermaidsgenderr*/photo/7345520902936726816?isfrommwebapp=1&senderdevice=mobile&senderrweb_id=7345629783211378209

https://x.com/indiawilloughby/status/1767595379921404151?s=46

AIBU to think that anyone pushing puberty blockers at this point is unethical? And that they should never have been allowed to be given to children who did not need them for precocious puberty where the risks are weighed up against the side effects and they are only used short term?

Yawn

Yes. TERF is a slur. Which you well know and it's why you used the term.

Don't try and pull the innocent on that one.

I think posters presenting The Right Side of History with such brave clarity are to be much admired and encouraged. We really need mascots such as these, with their beautifully evidenced and straightforwardly written posts, to educate the undecided lurkers.

@Poinsettiasarevile

I think posters like @newyorker74 and @NefertitiV demonstrate some of the reasons why we have ended up in a position with vulnerable, complex, distressed children have been given puberty blockers despite there being no robust evidence of benefit and growing evidence of harm. The whataboutery, ignoring the expert opinions offered up, taking offence at the tone of the discourse and adopting victimhood.

Nonsensical. Few of my posts even addressed puberty blockers, and when they did, they agreed that they do cause harm to older children. Perhaps work on your comprehension.

I did answer that question.

No, as you say you have added precisely nothing to the discussion on puberty blockers, which begs the question, why exactly are you posting?

I find it hard to believe it was only 83 last year, unless the trend is dieing out (I hope so) I'm 22 and when I finished school in 2017 there was about 3 children in my secondary school alone using puberty blockers.

@RedToothBrush

Yes. TERF is a slur. Which you well know and it's why you used the term.

Don't try and pull the innocent on that one.

Actually, no, I didn't. When I first starting reading this board, someone told I was a TERF due to my stated beliefs. (I didn't think so.) Thanks for letting me know that. (That person is on this thread, BTW - don't bother asking who it is, though.)

@Poinsettiasarevile

No, as you say you have added precisely nothing to the discussion on puberty blockers, which begs the question, why exactly are you posting?

1. I don't agree with puberty blockers in older children, ie.gender dysphoria

1. I was responding to a specific poster regarding the posting style of other people.

Hoping this answers your questions.

Ahh, tone policing, such a valuable contribution in the midst of a national medical scandal involving vulnerable children.

Terf is generally considered a slur, unless you regard it as tired of explaining reality to fantasists.

You havent just responded to someone specific, though, and your insults are clearly intended to be undermining. However they simply serve to highlight that you are not interested in discussion and have nothing useful to contribute.

It could be because in the period the this data relates to, the NHS had already made a statement that they were only prescribing under strict research conditions. I have not checked this myself, but maybe others have checked by now.

I like to think it's not cool anymore, it was all the rage back in like 2016/2017 when i was in secondary. I like to think kids these days have moved on to more mundane things like prime drinks or vapes (obviously vapes aren't great for the lungs but at least they don't make you permanently infertile and f Up your bone density)
I overheard some school kids making fun of the all the pronoun stuff so is it not cool anymore?

Any secondary school teachers on here able to chime in on whether the trend is dieing?

You tried. I honestly don't think they want to convert anyone to their viewpoint, though. Like you, I've noticed this treatment of any alternative voice before. It's immediately jumped on by multiple posters who use zero-sum bias and logical fallacies to shut down the conversation all the time. It's enormously frustrating - so take heart.

This person said literally nothing apart from "you're not experts so you shouldn't make the decision!" Which no one on the thread did, "experts" already have. So you can both rest easy.

It takes some dissonance to express frustration at logical fallacies while sympathising with a poster who did nothing but use false appeals to a vague authority, but I think that has been a good demonstration of that dissonance. Particularly the declaration that they are not here to add to the conversation, while actively posting on a public forum where their post actively 'adds to the conversation'.

There is some disconnected thinking happening, but I don't think it is as this poster has stated though.

As I said on another thread, even if it's just 83 puberty blockers have become aspirational for kids who identify as trans.

This is harmful in its own right as it's led to so many situations where kids then are alienated from their parents because they regard them as transphobic for not pushing for puberty blockers. The narrative is 'the evil TERF parents have been transphobic because of their opposition to puberty blockers'. That's actively dangerous too.

Online it's almost competitive to be 'as authentic as possible' and go as far as possible with the drugs.

"The number of children being put on puberty blockers has doubled since the NHS pledged to clamp down on the treatment, The Telegraph can disclose.
At least 100 children – some as young as 12 – <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/1HkYB/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/13/tavistock-clinic-puberty-blockers-trans-teens-hannah-barnes/" rel="nofollow" target="blank">have been put on the drugs to prevent pubertyy since July 2022, when health officials said the practice would be stopped outside of clinical trials after a damning review of children’s gender services."

That's from the Telegraph
archive.ph/1HkYB

So how many from the years before and who are still on them, and how many are getting them from offshore companies.
It could be a much higher number. And that's just UK alone.

How do we find out how many have been treated at Gender GP for example and how many other private clinics are there that prescribe?

@Helleofabore

It takes some dissonance to express frustration at logical fallacies while sympathising with a poster who did nothing but use false appeals to a vague authority, but I think that has been a good demonstration of that dissonance. Particularly the declaration that they are not here to add to the conversation, while actively posting on a public forum where their post actively 'adds to the conversation'.

Thank you for clearing that up for me, Hellofabore, ... I think.

So the 100 number is just children who were rushed on to them in a panic before the door closed.

And does not reflect the entire number of children subject to the wild west experimentations of politically motivated and indeed politically blinded adults unconcerned with the injuries, life chances, risks to and sterilisation of a group who will be in large numbers, ND and gay.

Bloody hell.

I heard Hannah Barnes on an ABC (Australia) interview the other day state she thinks at least 2000 children had been prescribed puberty blockers on the NHS so far. She said that she couldn’t get accurate data. It didn’t seem to have been recorded in an accessible way. She used FOI requests she made over the past 12 months and previous reported numbers.

2000 children. Will the Cass team be able to report what their current health status is? And continue to follow up?

I think those who have already been treated, and will be treated (made it through the door on time), will be part of the experimental group.

I presume that doesn't include those who accessed blockers privately from the likes of Gender GP?

She said it was specific to the NHS.

If the degradation in intellectual capacity that has been reported in at least one subject applies to those children, that's a shocking limit to their lives and potential, even outside of fertility.

Personally, I find it impossible to understand how some adults can be so sanguine about it it.

There is a lot of money to be made from making children into lifelong medical patients. Unfortunately for some people money comes before everything.

There are also people who were well meaning and dont want to recognise the harm they did to their, or other people's, children. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. So some will keep denying the truth rather than face the damage they did. Children who were on puberty blockers have been so gaslighted they may genuinely believe they benefited from them, especially if their intellectual capacity has been affected and the harm to their health has not yet become apparent.

I understand and have great sympathy for the people who meant well and the poor people harmed in this medical scandal, only have contempt for the money makers.

x.com/alliancelgb/status/1768662628207906874?s=46

The state of this:

"Disgraceful to see MPs mocking the electorate, listing the names of their pets, in order to prevent the Health and Equality Acts private members' Bill from being debated. Puberty blockers are not a joke and this laughter is at the expense of, predominantly LGB, young people"