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Tory donor openly states Dianne Abbot should be shot..

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VestibuleVirgin · 12/03/2024 07:15

Frank Hestor reportedly said: “It’s like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you’re just like… you just want to hate all black women because she’s there.
“And I don’t hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot.
“(The executive) and Diane Abbott need to be shot.”
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/frank-hester-tory-donor-diane-abbott-comments-black-women-labour-b1144631.html

Abominable, disgusting. Aibu to be incecsed by this?
Money allows all sorts of behaviours apparently, particularly if you give a lot of it to a political party.

Tory donor Frank Hester apologises over 'reprehensible' comments about Diane Abbott

Frank Hester has admitted making ‘rude’ comments about the politician but said they had ‘nothing to do with her gender nor colour of skin’

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/frank-hester-tory-donor-diane-abbott-comments-black-women-labour-b1144631.html

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cakeorwine · 12/03/2024 18:16

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:10

IClaudine
She is a bit more subtle than that, clav

I didn't think her repost (yesterday) was subtle:

These MPs (photos of three black women including Diane) are all suspended from Sir Keir Starmer’s Parliamentary Labour Party.

I haven't RTFT.

But I do know it's about racism in the Conservative party.

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 18:17

L1ttledrummergirl · 12/03/2024 18:15

I think I must be thick. Are you victim blaming as an excuse for blatant racism @Clavinova?

If not, what do you mean?

Edited

It definitely looks that way.

whatsitcalledwhen · 12/03/2024 18:17

@Clavinova

You have strong opinions on, and an interest in, politics.

In your personal opinion, how do you think Sunak should respond to this specific incident in a way that shows integrity?

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:17

Simonjt
funny that the daily mail doesn’t mock white mps suffering health issues

Would you prefer the Guardian?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/may/28/andrew-marr-diane-abbott-amber-rudd-home-secretary

IClaudine · 12/03/2024 18:20

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:17

Simonjt
funny that the daily mail doesn’t mock white mps suffering health issues

Would you prefer the Guardian?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/may/28/andrew-marr-diane-abbott-amber-rudd-home-secretary

Can you answer my question clav.

Do you agree that Sunak needs to call out Hester's racism as racism?

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 18:20

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:17

Simonjt
funny that the daily mail doesn’t mock white mps suffering health issues

Would you prefer the Guardian?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/may/28/andrew-marr-diane-abbott-amber-rudd-home-secretary

Where does that article mock anyone on health issues? It mocks two politicians, Labour and Tory on their performance on a TV show. Surely to goodness there can’t be much left to scrape off the bottom of that barrel by now?

Piggywaspushed · 12/03/2024 18:21

There's a thing called the Forde Report which did indeed find evidence of racism towards Abbott in the Labour Party. Look it up if you are interested. Abbott has endured years of racism form every quarter.

This does not cancel out this man's racism,or misogyny, or make it better.

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:22

L1ttledrummergirl
I think I must be thick. Are you victim blaming as an excuse for blatant racism

Not at all. I don't know what you mean.

Ukholidaysaregreat · 12/03/2024 18:23

Appalling. Racist. Misogynist.

IClaudine · 12/03/2024 18:23

Clav is ignoring me, isn't she? Strange how she never wants to engage.

As for John Crace, he rips the piss out of everyone. It is what political sketch writers are for.

cakeorwine · 12/03/2024 18:26

We all know certain people will do anything to derail a topic if the Conservatives are being attacked.

They should be ashamed of themselves if they do it on this topics

KnittedCardi · 12/03/2024 18:28

If it adds anything to the story, he is well known in IT circles, and is like this to everyone. He's not a popular man. You should see the comments on LinkedIn.

DuncinToffee · 12/03/2024 18:28

IClaudine · 12/03/2024 18:23

Clav is ignoring me, isn't she? Strange how she never wants to engage.

As for John Crace, he rips the piss out of everyone. It is what political sketch writers are for.

Edited

Probably best to return the favour and avoid the whataboutery until she needs to go out.

Simonjt · 12/03/2024 18:28

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:17

Simonjt
funny that the daily mail doesn’t mock white mps suffering health issues

Would you prefer the Guardian?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/may/28/andrew-marr-diane-abbott-amber-rudd-home-secretary

Why would I ever prefer racism if it was in a different newspaper?

Redundantrobin · 12/03/2024 18:32

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 18:17

It definitely looks that way.

That’s what I’m seeing, too

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:32

IClaudine
Do you agree that Sunak needs to call out Hester's racism as racism?

Yes - but carefully worded if he does. Difficult decision about the donation in an election year though.

Gordon Brown delayed his non-dom bill for cash to fight the 2010 election after being threatened by millionaire donors to the Labour Party;

Tycoons pledge to stop bankrolling Labour if 'non-dom' tax bill passes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jul/19/tycoons-bankrolling-labour-tax-bill

Notonthestairs · 12/03/2024 18:34

Were those non-doms suggesting shooting women?

Dymaxion · 12/03/2024 18:34

@Clavinova This is about a horrible little man spouting racist nonsense, all parliamentarians of every ilk should be disgusted by what he said. The Conservatives MP should be taking a strong stand on this, this should be about supporting one of their parliamentary colleagues, they are usually fairly hot on this sort of thing. And don't forget, for all the drama of PMQ's , they generally all rub along in a civilised fashion, Dianne chose Jonathan Aitken as the godparent for her son, for goodness sake !

Redundantrobin · 12/03/2024 18:35

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:32

IClaudine
Do you agree that Sunak needs to call out Hester's racism as racism?

Yes - but carefully worded if he does. Difficult decision about the donation in an election year though.

Gordon Brown delayed his non-dom bill for cash to fight the 2010 election after being threatened by millionaire donors to the Labour Party;

Tycoons pledge to stop bankrolling Labour if 'non-dom' tax bill passes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jul/19/tycoons-bankrolling-labour-tax-bill

Oh my god. This is taking whataboutery to a whole new level. I’m almost impressed!

But I tend not to be impressed by racists.

whatsitcalledwhen · 12/03/2024 18:35

@Clavinova

It's really bizarre to see someone almost incapable of sharing an opinion about the Tory party without also mentioning something Labour have done in the past. Over a decade ago in this case.

Do you not have the confidence in your opinion to make standalone comments without whataboutery or what you perceive to be 'gotcha' claims?

IClaudine · 12/03/2024 18:37

Clav is out-claving herself tonight!

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:38

Simonjt
Why would I ever prefer racism if it was in a different newspaper?

I'm not sure the Guardian article is racist (that's not what I meant) - it's probably misogynistic though. What do you think?

Dweetfidilove · 12/03/2024 18:39

Notpossibly · 12/03/2024 17:57

Hatred never makes the world a better place.

You say you are not affected by hatred but it appears that the younger generation of young white men are affected. They are being radicalised by extremists who are picking up on their alienation caused, in part, by unrelenting hatred of their sex.

You might have the advantage of being a successful man and all criticism therefore bounces off you. Afterall alpha males are not going to weep over a bit of criticism. But don't forget there are many white men who are not successful. They will be affected by criticism, particularly if that criticism is undeserved.

Your last comment is not as profound as you think it is. Racism and misogyny are built on hate. They thrive on hate. They exist because of hate. There is also an abuse of power, but if there was no hate the power would not be abused.

Happily we have created a world where some of the power now lies in the hands of women and black people. You would allow those powerful women and black people to bully unsuccessful men. Shame on you.

There is also a type of man who likes to curry favour with women by criticising other men. He sees his role as a hero, a saviour of women. He is not like other men. He is far better. They might or might not be alpha males.

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Piggywaspushed · 12/03/2024 18:40

KnittedCardi · 12/03/2024 18:28

If it adds anything to the story, he is well known in IT circles, and is like this to everyone. He's not a popular man. You should see the comments on LinkedIn.

I posted a link to Adam Bienkov's Twitter earlier that has Glassdorr comments- eye opening.

fleurneige · 12/03/2024 18:41

Ukholidaysaregreat · 12/03/2024 18:23

Appalling. Racist. Misogynist.

No question. But much worse, is the violent nature. Saying someone should be shot, is criminal and should be punished. Whatever the colour or sex of the victim.

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