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Tory donor openly states Dianne Abbot should be shot..

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VestibuleVirgin · 12/03/2024 07:15

Frank Hestor reportedly said: “It’s like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you’re just like… you just want to hate all black women because she’s there.
“And I don’t hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot.
“(The executive) and Diane Abbott need to be shot.”
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/frank-hester-tory-donor-diane-abbott-comments-black-women-labour-b1144631.html

Abominable, disgusting. Aibu to be incecsed by this?
Money allows all sorts of behaviours apparently, particularly if you give a lot of it to a political party.

Tory donor Frank Hester apologises over 'reprehensible' comments about Diane Abbott

Frank Hester has admitted making ‘rude’ comments about the politician but said they had ‘nothing to do with her gender nor colour of skin’

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/frank-hester-tory-donor-diane-abbott-comments-black-women-labour-b1144631.html

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 12/03/2024 17:21

Kwasi Kwarteng has also publicly stated that the remarks were clearly racist (and sexist).

But Mel Stride has reportedly said that the comments were "inappropriate" but "not race-based". I'm not quite sure how anyone could reach that conclusion.Confused

BestBadger · 12/03/2024 17:26

Notpossibly · 12/03/2024 16:32

But that was one of the first replies on this thread. And I think it was agreed ( I can't remember any dissent) that it was perfectly acceptable to hate men, especially white men.
That didn't seem to upset MN at all.

I'm a white man. Hating white men is nothing like racism or misogyny. It doesn't have any impact on me, there's no historical pattern of discrimination or exclusion to combat & it doesn't affect my treatment, wages or life chances.

Anyone who thinks it's the same, or even closely analogous to, actual racism or misogyny doesn't understand either.

PerkyDreamer · 12/03/2024 17:27

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Piggywaspushed · 12/03/2024 17:28

Don't engage. Don't quote . Report.

IClaudine · 12/03/2024 17:32

Thanks MNHQ for the swift delete. Hopefully that poster has been shown the door.

Starseeking · 12/03/2024 17:32

Imagine being a Black woman in the Tory Party...

AdamRyan · 12/03/2024 17:38

Piggywaspushed · 12/03/2024 16:05

Wow. Everyone needs to look at that too.."not racist" my arse

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · 12/03/2024 17:39

Notpossibly · 12/03/2024 16:32

But that was one of the first replies on this thread. And I think it was agreed ( I can't remember any dissent) that it was perfectly acceptable to hate men, especially white men.
That didn't seem to upset MN at all.

Ooh I think you might be referring to my post where I rewrote what he said but replacing DA's name with his, and referring to white men rather than black women.

I was just trying to make a point about how ridiculous and awful what he said was. I think he'd be shocked if someone was making comments like that about white men and calling out the racism and sexism.

I made it clear I didn't think he should be shot, but should definitely have also made it clear that I don't hate (or even have blanket low opinions of) white men.

Apologies for the lack of clarity. I wouldn't condone making that statement about any group (and meaning it).

Ireolu · 12/03/2024 17:43

Starseeking · 12/03/2024 17:32

Imagine being a Black woman in the Tory Party...

Kemi wants the top job as they all do. Her message on forgiveness after contrition is laughable. She knows she cannot all out call it out as her backers (within the party-powerful enough to get her the job) won't allow it.

AdamRyan · 12/03/2024 17:46

Dweetfidilove · 12/03/2024 17:05

I didn’t realise there’s a DA fan club in MN that always leaps to her defence- I must check that out.

I care about racism and misogyny, so I f I see any posts here attacking the women you mention for being ‘women’ or black/brown women’, best believe I will defend them against such hate.

As it stands, I can’t defend their politics, so when I see people calling them awful names as a result of their awful displays and utterances, I pass right on by.

Same.
It's kind of racist in itself, to imply that any criticism of someone's words and actions is down to the colour of their skin.
Patel, Braverman and Badenoch all have terrible policies and I've had people on here try to shut me down for "racism" for pointing that out. My experience is quite the opposite of the poster who's saying there is a DA fan club. I never see posts saying "I can't stand Badenoch/Braverman/Patel, but that was unfair" for example.

AdamRyan · 12/03/2024 17:47

In fact maybe MN is like the apocryphal British person and getting more right wing as it ages 😂

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 17:50

DuncinToffee · 12/03/2024 16:55

Diane Abbott has reported Frank Hester to police over comments that she ‘should be shot’

Very glad to hear it. Hopefully they’ll act.

Dweetfidilove · 12/03/2024 17:53

AdamRyan · 12/03/2024 17:47

In fact maybe MN is like the apocryphal British person and getting more right wing as it ages 😂

That it certainly is - racism, immigration, ableism, anti-welfare of any kind, anti this/anti that… When it’s not dangerous, it can be quite entertaining watching the state folks get themselves into here 😂.

Redundantrobin · 12/03/2024 17:56

TwigletsAndRadishes · 12/03/2024 16:55

Because as is always the way with these things, side shoots are created from the main stem of the topic that may not be directly related, but are very much indirectly related. Discussions are never completely linear or one dimensional.

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How are they indirectly related? Are you saying that Diane Abbott deserves to be spoken about in this way because she herself has held beliefs / shared words that don’t sit well with your personal politics?

Are there people it’s acceptable to be racist towards?

cakeorwine · 12/03/2024 17:56

If someone had said that Suella Braverman makes me want to hate al Buddhist women or Sunak makes me want to hate all Hindus, then the press would be all over it. And if they then said they should be shot, that would be the end.

Notpossibly · 12/03/2024 17:57

BestBadger · 12/03/2024 17:26

I'm a white man. Hating white men is nothing like racism or misogyny. It doesn't have any impact on me, there's no historical pattern of discrimination or exclusion to combat & it doesn't affect my treatment, wages or life chances.

Anyone who thinks it's the same, or even closely analogous to, actual racism or misogyny doesn't understand either.

Hatred never makes the world a better place.

You say you are not affected by hatred but it appears that the younger generation of young white men are affected. They are being radicalised by extremists who are picking up on their alienation caused, in part, by unrelenting hatred of their sex.

You might have the advantage of being a successful man and all criticism therefore bounces off you. Afterall alpha males are not going to weep over a bit of criticism. But don't forget there are many white men who are not successful. They will be affected by criticism, particularly if that criticism is undeserved.

Your last comment is not as profound as you think it is. Racism and misogyny are built on hate. They thrive on hate. They exist because of hate. There is also an abuse of power, but if there was no hate the power would not be abused.

Happily we have created a world where some of the power now lies in the hands of women and black people. You would allow those powerful women and black people to bully unsuccessful men. Shame on you.

There is also a type of man who likes to curry favour with women by criticising other men. He sees his role as a hero, a saviour of women. He is not like other men. He is far better. They might or might not be alpha males.

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 17:59

Starseeking · 12/03/2024 17:32

Imagine being a Black woman in the Tory Party...

I'm just looking at Diane Abbott's X/Twitter feed. As far as I can tell she is blatantly accusing Keir Starmer and his leadership of being racist towards black women MPs in the Labour Party - with her pinned tweet and another tweet she reposted yesterday. Is she right?

Reugny · 12/03/2024 18:01

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 17:59

I'm just looking at Diane Abbott's X/Twitter feed. As far as I can tell she is blatantly accusing Keir Starmer and his leadership of being racist towards black women MPs in the Labour Party - with her pinned tweet and another tweet she reposted yesterday. Is she right?

Racism in political parties is a whole other thread.

You could break it down by the main political parties in Great Britain

Simonjt · 12/03/2024 18:02

I’m surprised that anyone else is shocked that a tory donor is both racist, sexist and violent.

Black women are always at the bottom of the pile, the way she has been treated in recent years by the press has been absolutely disgusting and due to her race, funny that the daily mail doesn’t mock white mps suffering health issues.

IClaudine · 12/03/2024 18:04

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 17:59

I'm just looking at Diane Abbott's X/Twitter feed. As far as I can tell she is blatantly accusing Keir Starmer and his leadership of being racist towards black women MPs in the Labour Party - with her pinned tweet and another tweet she reposted yesterday. Is she right?

She is a bit more subtle than that, clav. Why don't you start a thread on racism in the Labour party to discuss it?

As a Black woman, and someone on the left of the Labour Party, I have unfortunately been forced to reach the conclusion that I will not get a fair hearing from this Labour leadership.https://x.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1704149054123360651?s=20

IClaudine · 12/03/2024 18:06

Sunak is looking more and more isolated. He needs to show some leadership.

MCOut · 12/03/2024 18:09

Starseeking · 12/03/2024 17:32

Imagine being a Black woman in the Tory Party...

On one hand, I’m pleasantly surprised that she called it out, forgiveness comment not withstanding. On the other hand, I do feel sorry for her. I can imagine she’s going to be pressured to help absolve this man.

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:10

IClaudine
She is a bit more subtle than that, clav

I didn't think her repost (yesterday) was subtle:

These MPs (photos of three black women including Diane) are all suspended from Sir Keir Starmer’s Parliamentary Labour Party.

IClaudine · 12/03/2024 18:15

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 18:10

IClaudine
She is a bit more subtle than that, clav

I didn't think her repost (yesterday) was subtle:

These MPs (photos of three black women including Diane) are all suspended from Sir Keir Starmer’s Parliamentary Labour Party.

If Diane Abbott says she is being discriminated against by the leadership of the Labour party, then I would say that this discrimination needs to be addressed. There is no way I am going to deny her lived experience.

OK?

Now, back to the actual subject. Do you think Sunak needs to come out and call racism racism, Clav?

L1ttledrummergirl · 12/03/2024 18:15

I think I must be thick. Are you victim blaming as an excuse for blatant racism @Clavinova?

If not, what do you mean?

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