Tory donor openly states Dianne Abbot should be shot..

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Frank Hestor reportedly said: “It’s like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you’re just like… you just want to hate all black women because she’s there.
“And I don’t hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot.
“(The executive) and Diane Abbott need to be shot.”
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/frank-hester-tory-donor-diane-abbott-comments-black-women-labour-b1144631.html

Abominable, disgusting. Aibu to be incecsed by this?
Money allows all sorts of behaviours apparently, particularly if you give a lot of it to a political party.

But you are trying to change the subject.

The thread is not about double standards on MN. It is not about remarks made by Diane Abbott. It is not about remarks made by Priti Patel, Suella Braverman or Kemi Badenoch. And it is not about how people respond to those remarks. So why are you talking about any of those things here?

This thread is about the racist remarks made by Tory donor, Frank Hester. I am glad that you condemn those remarks as racist. If you don't wish to be seen as trying to minimise that racism, I suggest that you start a separate thread to discuss topics that bear no relevance to this matter.

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Start a thread about McDonnell then. Using this thread is just whataboutery

I wasn't the first poster to mention John McDonnell - and you prolonged the agony by defending him.

I’m sure what I’m about to say has been said loads on this thread already, but I am genuinely shocked to hear people try to argue this is not racist and misogynistic.

I’m sure that bloke had known many twatty white male politicians or business people. And I also bet he has never once thought, ‘that twatty white make makes me hate all white men’.

And that’s why that comment is racist and sexist you utter arseholes.

As expected and never surprised.

That’s why covert racism thrives so easily.

@TwigletsAndRadishes, maybe start a thread or put something in site stuff on double standards between the treatment of Abbott and Tory WOC on MN? I think it warrants a separate discussion and it will just get lost here.

You can't call out extreme racism when it's in front of you. Instead your reaction is to post more hate, more division and fake news?🤯

WTF is wrong with you?

But that was one of the first replies on this thread. And I think it was agreed ( I can't remember any dissent) that it was perfectly acceptable to hate men, especially white men.
That didn't seem to upset MN at all.

That's a complete non sequitur .

Another "I dont like her" no chance of you just stating he is a racist without given your opinion of the victim

I basically asked the question, as to their reason for posting that fakery. I am not holding my breath, waiting for an answer. Funny that they have just ignored that though.

And many people find DA repulsive and objectionable for very similar reasons. Her language, her opinions, her hypcrocisy and her policies. They also believe it speaks to her character and her morals. Her sex and her skin colour is irrelevent.

But we are constantly told on MN that where DA is concerned it is NEVER irrelevant and it's always at the heart of everything.

That's my whole point. Double standards. Don't get me wrong, I don't have any trouble in believing that plenty of racists resent her primarily because she's an assertive, outspoken and highly successful black woman, I fully accept that. And of course a racist is going to be delighted every time she fucks up, or 'misspeaks' or says something pretty racist or bigoted herself.

What I just won't accept is that virtually everyone who is critical of DA is doing it simply because they are a racist.

Badenoch, minister for Women and Equalities has release a tweet

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1767586269138231580?t=7U-rqiHdMbkmucGGrK5Vfw&s=19

Hester’s 2019 comments, as reported, were racist. I welcome his apology.

Abbott and I disagree on a lot. But the idea of linking criticism of her, to being a black woman is appalling.

It’s never acceptable to conflate someone’s views with the colour of their skin…(1/2)

MPs have a difficult job balancing multiple interests -often under threats of intimidation as we saw recently in parliament.

Some people make flippant comments without thinking of this context.

This is why there needs to be space for forgiveness where there is contrition

Ah, "space for forgiveness" - but only if they've given us £10 million...

But this thread isn't about everyone who is critical of Diane Abbott. It's about one man's racist remarks about Diane Abbott.

The question of whether others are racist in their criticisms of her or not has no bearing on the question of whether Hester's remarks were racist. Why are other issues even being brought into this discussion?

So, Conservative Party, what first attracted you to multimillionaire, racist & misogynist, Frank Hester.

I'm glad Badenoch has spoken up and called it racism. That is a very carefully crafted choice of words, though, especially the opening reference to 2019.

Now Sunak is in a tricky situation. He still hasn't said anything at all directly, only though his spokesperson. Come on, show some spine!

Diane Abbott has reported Frank Hester to police over comments that she ‘should be shot’

Because as is always the way with these things, side shoots are created from the main stem of the topic that may not be directly related, but are very much indirectly related. Discussions are never completely linear or one dimensional.

Comments are clearly racist and it appears Hester has form for racist & misogynistic behaviour. Let's watch as the conservatives all line up to forgive him.

Good for her.

But when people deliberately keep pushing "side shoots" that are unrelated to the thread topic, it is usually fairly evident that their agenda is to divert attention away from the matter under discussion. Which inevitably begs the question as to why they are so eager to change the subject.

Great to hear.

Good for her.

And good for Kemi Badenoch for acknowledging that the comments were racist.

Space for forgiveness where there is contrition? I'm not sure that we've seen anything that looks like true contrition yet, but I'm sure that for the sake of £10million, there will be plenty of Tories who will be glad to overlook that.

I didn’t realise there’s a DA fan club in MN that always leaps to her defence- I must check that out.

I care about racism and misogyny, so I f I see any posts here attacking the women you mention for being ‘women’ or black/brown women’, best believe I will defend them against such hate.

As it stands, I can’t defend their politics, so when I see people calling them awful names as a result of their awful displays and utterances, I pass right on by.

If you must push this, I'd be keen to find the evidence that every slur directed at DA is deleted. Or indeed that every racist post about whoever is, since I have reported very many.

I'd also be keen to see evidence of undeleted racism aimed at the other women you mention.

It's not a competition but it is nonetheless an established fact that the volume of abuse hurled at DA is more than all other women in parliament put together.