Don't complain about the state of the NHS and the lack of jobs in the same breath

[Donteatyellowrain]

One of the biggest issues the NHS faces is the lack of recruitment. So if you want a job, go get a job in the NHS, there are plenty, many of which can be done at entry level.
Sick of people complaining about the NHS but considering themselves above working for it.

We've got a load of support staff all looking to get the hell out of education now (Think there's a problem with teachers? You want to look at who isn't going to be there to get those kids on the roll, the lights kept on, the vaccinations booked, salaries paid, the exam entries made, the free school meals added, the child with SEND assisted come December) - but all of them came to education via the NHS. Not one of them has any intention of returning.

Not a great advertisement for the working conditions and pay for either, really

'Work in Education - At least it's not the NHS'.

The NHS is broken and isn't working. That has no bearing on whether I do or don't have a job.

And I've worked with "HCAs" who are only in the job because they've been forced into it. They are hell to work with. And they are the only jobs NHS are advertising within a 5 mile radius that don't require a qualification or previous experience.

I had a wonderful part time job in the NHS working in maternity services.

My colleagues and I were made redundant as the NHS commissioners decided our services were no longer required and could be performed by other staff on the wards. As we were dismissed we were offered the chance to continue our roles as volunteers. I loved the job and the NHS. Unfortunately volunteering doesn't pay the bills though.

Brilliant. My MN moment of the day.

Absolutely, I agree it's not just the wage. But much is made in the media about recruitment issues being only due to the pay, when the bigger issues are often the workload, the treatment of staff by patients, the miles of red tape seem to have to work through to get anything done. Which is soul destroying.
I have no issues with my pay, I think its reasonable for what I do. The things which would push me out of the nhs are the 'banging head against a brick wall' feeling I have almost daily when patients completly ignore your advice and then blame you for not improving, don't turn up for appointments,rude. And the barriers the monolith which is the nhs puts in your way when trying to do the best for your patients.

I’ve spent most of the day dealing with the NHS, trying to get treatment for my extremely poorly preschooler. It’s been a shit show but the worst part, hands down, was dealing with surly and unhelpful reception staff at a&e (I’m being polite there), even though we were told to go there by 111. That’s not an understaffing issue, it’s a training and management one.

I work in the NHS and I really enjoy my job. It’s well paid comparatively to private sector in the same role (although I am top of pay grade now)
I have flexible working and 33 days holiday, 6 months full pay if I become unwell or injured.

I am in a post grad level job but started 14 years ago in an apprenticeship. And they funded my post grad. So honestly I can’t complain.

I do hate the ever cut budgets and sometimes I feel sad because I can’t do as good a job as I’d like due to volume of work and staff shortages. But all in all it’s been a positive experience for me.

some of the lower band jobs are better than they seem because you get a shift allowance and there are always opportunities for overtime, and once you look at the add ons its much better than working at Lidl.
I do accept though that it is busy and stressful and hard work and sometimes you do feel really sad after being exposed to certain things. And emotional resilience can be chipped away. Just like in teaching.

Go on then folks - stick Bideford +5/10 miles into Indeed or whatever and see what jobs come up. Then maybe do a Rightmove search to balance it. Then check out the Council Tax, SW Water bills and then do your sums.

Doesn't quite add-up does it? Real people actually live here, very short on any public-sector provided services too, most employees are paid to say "No"; and this isn't the only Town that lives under these rules.

But hey, there's apparently a plethora of jobs, just not where people actually live.

I recruit for band 3 administrators, we use Trac jobs to advertise everything.
the volume and quality of applications has fallen massively over the last few years. We regularly have to re advertise jobs several times before getting any suitable candidates apply.

I wish the NHS would really look into the calibre of the staff they employ as a 6 and a half stone anorexic being told by a mental health practitioner to stop phoning the GP for help and phone the Samaritans instead.

Unfortunately this seems to be the general calibre of NHS mental health staff. It’s also my experience of them too.

I’m in the NHS and looking to leave. I enjoy it and the benefits are good but as a band 4 there’s absolutely no progression. I can’t hang around just for a pension in 30 odd years. I also need a bit more flexibility.

It wasn't until I did a degree as a mature student that I finally realized why the UK is so fucked up. I did actually learn some subject-specific stuff that I wouldn't have otherwise learned, but generally the nepotism, admin, scheduling, et al was a shambles.

Getting a degree proves fuck all in my books, just an ability to jump through hoops like a Crufts show-dog.

Not wanting to pierce anyone's balloon - but really most of us aren't quite "as smart as we like to think we are". And yes, I do believe that phrase comes from a song.

I don’t think it’s as easy as you believe.
It isn’t so easy for mums who’ve been out of work a long time for instance , because of the nhs referencing criteria.

What an absolutely ludicrous thing to post! I take it you've never worked in welfare to work provision? Let me tell you , it is absolutely impossible to get unemployed people jobs in the nhs - they require multiple professional references, an extensive work history with no gaps, often minimum maths and English gcses grades a-c, oh and the biggy ' must have previous relevant experience '. I hate this dangerous rhetoric that's being pushed that unemployed people just don't want to work, Believe me most do, but how do they overcome those multiple barriers I've just listed? Add into the mix parental responsibilities dictating a less than flexible working pattern required or long term health conditions or caring for elderly parents, the nhs as an employer don't want to know!

I got made redundant from my PA role a couple of years ago and looked at some of the NHS admin jobs being advertised. There’s absolutely no way I could have paid my mortgage and bills on the salaries offered. Plus it would have been nearly an hour each way on the bus or pay to park on site. Nice idea but they need to be far more realistic in terms of how much they pay. No point in 33 days annual leave if you can’t afford to do anything.

What jobs have they got going that require no previous NHS experience?

I know plenty of people working in the NHS who work flexible hours for childcare 🤷‍♀️

My sen kids have aged out of childcare that's the point

OK 'child friendly hours' then

I'd rather be unemployed than work for the NHS. Awful conditions and pay, even with progression. There's a reason excellent staff are leaving all the time. In case you haven't noticed OP, there are constant protests about how crap working conditions are within the NHS. Great advert for attracting new staff, not.

The whole service needs to start appreciating it's people. If you pay what the job is worth and value your staff people will want to work for you. As it stands, people would rather claim benefits or work stacking shelves (note: absolutely nothing wrong with shelf stacking, just using it as an entry level employment example!) than work for the NHS.

So yes, YABU.

The people I know complaining about a lack of jobs all have jobs and are looking to change company or change industry and couldn't afford the pay cut to go work an entry level NHS job given that they're about £10k less than the average salary for the country.
That's before you get started on the NHS working conditions, I have several friends who work for the NHS and all have complained about terrible working conditions /managers that are just bullies with no managerial skills whatsoever who have just moved up the ranks without being trained in management.

I'm struggling for work as I'm very limited on the hours I can do