Don't complain about the state of the NHS and the lack of jobs in the same breath

[Donteatyellowrain]

One of the biggest issues the NHS faces is the lack of recruitment. So if you want a job, go get a job in the NHS, there are plenty, many of which can be done at entry level.
Sick of people complaining about the NHS but considering themselves above working for it.

You say that but if you try to survive on an entry level NHS job it’s very difficult, financially.

In order to do this kind of national service, you need to live with your parents?

@OfficeWoes but surely that's better than no job which presumably is the alternative for someone complaining that they can't find a job. And many NHS roles offer progression and even sponsorship to gain qualifications.

There’s a situation where having some jobs is worse than not having a job at all because of how physically demanding these jobs are vs the low pay. NHS jobs at entry level are like this which is why people don’t want them. I don’t hear people complain about not being able to get “a job” because usually, shit jobs are plentiful. People complain about not being able to get a job that isn’t a nightmare.

I haven't noticed anyone complaining about the lack of jobs? So many organisations are crying out for staff. It's an employees market, so I haven't noticed anyone struggling for work!

But it often isn't better than no job - you begin to lose benefits if you work, which if you don't live with your parents in the first place, can sometimes put people in a worse position as working full time can mean higher outgoings (increase in travel expenses and loss of free school meals for a start).

There are 10 million people of working age on out of work benefits. All wanting to use services which they are not prepared to work for. While an ever smaller number of mugs work and pay for everything.

My own NHS experience was so bad that even if they offered me progression and qualifications I’d turn it down because I’d have to work in the NHS, and I’m not doing that again. If that means we need a new system of private healthcare, like something out of France, then so be it.

Working for the NHS = being responsible for peoples lives
Working in Lidl = responsible for stacking shelves

Both paying the same money. Why would anyone want huge responsibility and stress when they could get the same money stacking shelves? The NHS needs to pay their staff what they are worth.

10m? Blimey

Op look at the projections for NHS in a decade 1 in 11 will be working for it, staggering really

Do the entry level jobs get advertised somewhere specific. There are loads of jobs at my local hospital but they all seem very skilled. There is one cleaner type role for 9 hours a week.
Its just i would be interested in health care assistant roles.

What a daft thread

Ridiculous over simplification, but you are doing a great job helping the government sow conflict to distract from their failings. Also great victim blaming - do you work for the Daily Mail?

There are 10 million people of working age on out of work benefits

The unemployment figure is about 1.3 million isn't it?

NHS jobs are where all NHS jobs are listed.

I've already had one nervous breakdown due to working in the public sector (teaching) I don't need another one thanks.

Probably including PIP and UC, both of which are payable whilst in employment - and often is what's propping them up in their shitty NHS jobs.

Try healthjobsuk as well as I find more and more are being advertised on there rather than NHS jobs. The Trust I work for is crying out for HCAs!

HCAs are not responsible for people’s lives

25 years as a nurse led to one for me too. I’ve no interest in going back; none at all.

Just looked at NHS jobs for my region. All the jobs bar one required clinical qualifications and the one that didn't required experience "we are looking for someone who has previously worked in Primary Care or Secondary Care and has experience in summarising medical notes and coding clinical correspondence. ".

So OP is not correct in my area; no entry level jobs to be had for the non-clinical/non-experienced.

So the point is though that when people complain there are no jobs, what they mean is that there are no jobs willing to pay them £40k for their extremely limited (or nonexistent) skill set because it'll affect their benefits to get an entry level job? That's not a lack of jobs issue, that's a benefits system issue and not the point of my post. There are jobs, there are lots of jobs and a great many of them in the NHS! There's an 11+ page thread in AIBU just today about how crap everything is including (but not limited to) how crap the NHS is and how there are no jobs and whilst this inspired this thread, that's not unique at all! People complain about the world we live in all the time and the obvious points more often than not include complaining about the state of the NHS and the lack of jobs which always annoys me because there are literally so so many jobs in the NHS that would greatly improve the service the NHS could offer but they cannot be recruited and the same people moaning that about the service the NHS offers are also moaning they don't see any jobs?! Infuriating!

How many people do you know who are simultaneously out of work, refusing to consider NHS jobs and moaning about the state of the NHS? Fairly niche demographic, I’d say.

I complain massively about the NHS (it’s not fit for purpose). I have a job though, so I guess I’m allowed to?

Would love to get a NHS job and I've looked at zillions since I 'retired' thinking I could do a couple of days a week.

I'm 60 with poor eyesight, and poor IT skills.
There are absolutely no vacancies whatsoever for someone like me at my local trust.
I have often looked.

But I reserve my right to criticise the NHS when I'm being badly treated and , especially, when my frail mum is so very badly treated.

HTH.

The NHS offers poor pay and even worse conditions. Particularly for clinical staff. They’re leaving in droves after years of keeping services running on good will. Newly qualified staff are so horrified at what they find that they often leave within a few years. It’s an employer problem.