Don't complain about the state of the NHS and the lack of jobs in the same breath

[Donteatyellowrain]

One of the biggest issues the NHS faces is the lack of recruitment. So if you want a job, go get a job in the NHS, there are plenty, many of which can be done at entry level.
Sick of people complaining about the NHS but considering themselves above working for it.

🤔WTF????

So, the point of your post is that people say there are no jobs, you are saying there are jobs, posters are saying the NHS is a shit hole to work for - and you are saying what exactly? That people should work for a place they consider to be a shit hole??

You seem to be totally missing the point that not everyone is suitable for, or wants to, work for the NHS.

Incidentally, I'm not in the UK but our health service is also crying out for staff. When I was unemployed I applied for several jobs, never even got an interview so presumably they filled those posts.

@Donteatyellowrain . My family and I have relied heavily on the NHS over the last year and I would like to thank you and all who work in the NHS for the fantastic work you do and the kindness and professionalism you have shown us under incredibly difficult circumstances.

I couldn't work in front line health services. I just do not have the capability or personality to do so. I'm sorry about that. I'm a gardener - some people wouldn't want to garden - I get that.

It's not the staff people blame when things go wrong. It's the system, the funding, the government, the fact that ordinary people generally deserve better in society than the terrible public services we are receiving across the board right now.

Most UK universities are public sector.

You don't understand what a pension is. it is just savings for old age, currently with a tax saving. Unless you want to work until you die you need a pension. The amount that is saved depends on both what you put in and what your employer puts in plus what interest it earns. How much is in it will determine what age you can afford to retire at. The state pension age is set but you choose what age to start claiming your workplace pension (has to be over 50 or 55?).

If your employer puts 28% into your pension that's the equivalent to an extra 28% on your annual salary, just saved up. It won't suddenly cease to exist - it's your money!

I don't think many people can afford to work for it!

It's high-stress, low-pay and there are many reports of toxic work environments.

Plus many people want to consider their own health after covid and want to protect themselves.

To add, final salary pensions are rare now but that's a separate issue

Quite a long time ago now, bit I did one day as an agency cleaner in our local hospital and refused to go back. I did do other cleaning jobs since, so that wasn't the issue, I genuinely felt that I was putting patients at risk and potentially myself. The agency staff got paid more than the direct employees, so there was no incentive to learn things and stay. There was no training and the person who was meant to be working with me left after an hour. I didn't know which cleaning products or equipment to use. At one point, there was a large puddle of blood by a bed and a nurse had to clean it up because I had no clue or gloves etc.

I only found out that part of the role was making drinks for patients by reading something on the staff room wall, so they weren't necessarily receiving proper hydration. No one helped anyone frail to drink, so I collected full cups of cold tea later.

Hopefully things have improved there since.

Exactly. Why are so many people not working when we can't get staff for hospitality, social care and healthcare? Benefits should always be less than actual jobs otherwise people will be stuck on benefits.

Depends where you live you snooty cow; round here any NHS/public-sector job has a massive queue of applicants.

And these are mostly snapped up by those with previous expereience, downsizing from other areas, very rarely a locally experieced person. After all, if you've lived in the SE for many years, you have to have some 'serious' probs to reman unemployed; even an NHS admin job can be considered as scraping the barrel.

Down these parts in the SW an NHS admin job is considered a 'top job'.

I don't really have a solution to this reality, just know that even though I'm a post-grad qualified worker, tho still a post-60 carer, I'd be more than happy to work for the NHS, even under it's most basic T&Cs

But I'd probably fail the 'personality' test. As I actually have one.

I'm not missing that point. But the NHS employs millions of people across millions of roles, huge numbers of clerical and admin, IT, finance, management, law, HR, it's not just about healthcare so to lump it all together and say working for the NHS is shit and not for me because I don't want to talk to people just shows a lack of actually trying to see what jobs there are out there because a huge percentage of NHS jobs have nothing to do with direct patient care. And if you need a job, you get a bloody job. You don't sit on your arse and moan that there are no jobs and blame the world for you being unable to find a job when there are jobs all around. Not just in the NHS but all public sector services; they're all in the same boat. But because it's almost trendy to say that it's crap working for the NHS or the like, people dismiss it before they've even considered it because "it's not for me". And that's what I mean by saying you're above it! Happy to bitch and moan about the NHS and how it didn't help you within 5 working minutes of you needing it but actually the reason for that is not enough people will even consider working there because their brother's best friend's auntie's dog walker told them that the NHS is a shit hole to work for.

Snooty cow?! Seriously! And your name is @TheHateIsNotGood ....... Yeah okay. I shan't bother with reading the rest of what you have to say.

I am in admin NHS - love my job - wish I joined 30 years ago!

OP, is your lack of punctuation intentional to illustrate how irrate you are?
The incredibly long sentences with minimal commas come accross as though you are saying all of this without pausing for breath.

Unemployment is about 3.5% just now. There are not millions of people not working and on benefits.

My mum works in the NHS and there's been a recruitment freeze in her department. She's of the view that there's too much money being wasted on unnecessary middle management salaries, leaving not enough to hire staff for work that actually needs doing. I don't work there though so what do I know.

Where are all these people complaining that there are no jobs?

By the way I applied for at least 5 different entry level NHS jobs last year when I was made redundant and not a single one offered me an interview.

You know, if you want to be "that" person it's always best to keep your spell check on. Across has one c.

Well, don't bother then...I'd consider yourself a bit spesh as I'm normally not so rude/blatant on MN.

You do do realize my user name is shortened to THING? Probably not, as the jokes and curve balls that life consistently throws us is lost on you.

"Gissa Job" aka Yosser Hughes has never gone away for many people. And Boys from the Black Stuff was actually considered comedy, whilst the reality was far from comical.

But the state sector in poor areas continue to suck the life blood out of the people, whilst the rich areas chatter away.

Consider yourself part of the problem OP, and not the solution.

Fantastic idea except they don't work around child friendly hours and I'm a single parent to two autistic children which means that while my 15 year old has aged out of childcare I can't leave him to get to school unsupervised or feed himself my 11 year old is a complete non starter can't even get him to peeing the toilet with any degree of accuracy getting home from school unsupervised will never happen

Not exactly at all. That 10 million figure isn't people not working. It includes the early retired and students. The actual number of people claiming benefits is 1.5 ish million.

You don’t often see trainee posts advertised anymore. A long time ago I seem to recall you could go into the NHS with no experience whatsoever, just as a trainee HCA or whatever the entry level post is in the department you’re working in. I may be misremembering but I seem to remember people were paid a trainee salary which increased when theyd passed their vocational qualification or had more experience.

there seems to be very few posts advertised now where on the job training is the expected and main way of becoming proficient in your role. They all seem to want specific qualifications and prior experience. People have to start somewhere. Are they expecting people to start straight from school as apprentices?

The other thing that puts people off is the way that all entry level jobs in public sector organisations are now not really entry level. More and more responsibilities have been heaped on them, often they used to appear in the job description of those on the next grade up. Combine that with pay rises not keeping up with inflation, and increased housing and childcare costs and what you’re offering people is a job which can actually be quite skilled, which requires prior experience, pays poorly, gives a worse pension than previously, often worse terms and conditions, more stress, not even a free staff car park, no perks at all, and for what? just so you can barely keep your head above water financially?

People will take the less stressful job for similar pay in those circumstances.

Your average band 5 (starting at £28k) inpatient staff nurse or midwife, chronically understaffed and responsible for the care of multiple patients with complex needs in situations which are regularly unsafe. Being accountable in the face of patient harm and complaints. Why would you?

Band 7 starts at 43k and is usually a job with significant managerial responsibility.

Maybe five to ten years ago these would be seen as good wages but these are not good wages for highly skilled jobs with significant responsibility and stress. It’s not just the wage.

Benefits ARE less than actual jobs.

Don't be ridiculous. The vast majority of NHS jobs are wildly underpaid, why should people choose a pay cut? They are still allow to want a decent healthcare service.

I say this as a lifetime NHS worker, before anyone jumps on me.

The responsibility for change rests on the government to properly fund roles if they want them filled. Not on the average person to restrict their and their family's lives to facilitate working for less money.

You managed it! This is a perfectly reasonable length for a sentence👏