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For invoicing my landlord and land lady and filing a complaint ?

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Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:11

Sorry for the length, I don't want to drip feed.

Two weeks ago, after returning from a 5 day trip we saw a mouse run into a gap in the kitchen base boards and found droppings. We contacted the estate agent who alerted the landlord and landlady (who live above us), got permission for pest control to remove the baseboards, called a next day pest control who came out within 24 hours. We also paid for pest control even though it's a landlords responsibility. Partially out of good will, but mainly because I just wanted the issue sorted.

Pest control confirmed we are not the cause of the mouse infestation. In his report he wrote the kitchen was clean and that the reason for the infestation was that there was heavy rain, and the mice sought refuge in our flat by entering via where some pipes are, as the hole is far too big for the pipes. He then said old cupboard doors meant that the mice accessed food sources by getting into the cupboards where the bottom of the doors don't align.

We obviously had to get rid of a lot of stuff in the kitchen. Our black bin is emptied every 3 weeks and was already half full. We filled it with the unsealed stuff from the cupboards or anything mice had gnawed through, and any sealed food items or general non food items were triple bagged with heavily scented bin powder (in case animals can smell sealed packaged food) and placed neatly next to said bins.

There were 5-6 bags next to the bin in total (sounds a lot, but I freaked and got rid of anything at mouse level). I contacted multiple rubbish collection companies, all but one gave over 7 days wait due to difficulties caused by our rural area flooding. I managed to find someone who could collect the rubbish within 4 days. I have the booking confirmation etc to prove all of this.

This Friday -2 weeks after the rubbish was removed, I got a letter from the estate agents saying the landlords have complained that 10-15 black bags of rubbish have been sat out for a prolonged period of time. We were told it is aggravating the mouse problem.

This is where I may have overreacted. I called the agents and explained the rubbish was collected two weeks ago, and that yes it was triple bagged outside for 4 days, but I can't control how busy businesses are.

The agent told me that they and the landlord and landlady feel we should have taken it to the tip sooner. So i pointed out that it wouldn't have gone any sooner because I booked on Tuesday and it was collected on Saturday morning, and because my husband takes the only car, an hour away to work in the week he would have also done it on Saturday. I also pointed out the landlords would have complained if the rubbish was kept in the kitchen for four days rather than keep the bags outside. The agent said they and the landlord also feel we could have taken a day off to take the rubbish to the tip.

I suggested that if the landlord and lady felt so strongly about the availability of rubbish collection services, or desperately wanted the rubbish taken on a weekday when the tip is open then they could have always taken the rubbish themselves. Or offered to reduce this month's rent to reflect the loss of earnings for my husband if he took an unpaid day off to take it.
(I don't actually expect them to do those things, I wanted to counter their unreasonable expectations.)

I then emailed the estate agent a copy of the rubbish collection booking, the pest control report, and the invoice from pest control.

I filed a counter complaint about the landlords malicious complaint of "10-15 open black bags of rubbish" as there were 6 triple bagged bags that were removed 2 weeks prior to the complaint being made, and requested reimbursement for pest control as the report indicates the mice got in due to structural issues of the property, making it their responsibility to pay for pest control and any follow ups according to our tenancy agreement.

My husband bumped into the landlady today on our shared drive and she made it clear that she is PISSED that I've made a counter complaint and requested a reimbursement for pest control. But I don't actually think I've done anything wrong. I did the best I could with the resources available and quite honestly I don't really feel like paying for pest control if they're going to make malicious, exaggerated complaints.

Just to add - I didn't feel the need to put up and shut up in case the landlord/lady files a section 21 no fault eviction out of spite. We're relocating in the next 6 weeks due to a job change so it's a none issue if I'm honest.

YABU - you should have taken the rubbish sooner and sucked up the cost of pest control

YANBU - your landlords should pay for pest control, and shouldn't have complained given the fact the rubbish was gone as soon as possible.

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Mummame222 · 10/03/2024 13:14

Tenants are responsible for pest control and you left rubbish outside the property.

Im usually always on the tenants side as a renter myself but it sounds like you have s part to play here.

Herdinggoats · 10/03/2024 13:17

If you couldn’t get the rubbish collected you should’ve taken it to the dump. It seems hugely unreasonable to complain about rodents and then just leave bagged rubbish outside. It’s unsightly, unhygienic and antisocial.

HelloMiss · 10/03/2024 13:18

You sound like a nightmare

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:19

Mummame222 · 10/03/2024 13:14

Tenants are responsible for pest control and you left rubbish outside the property.

Im usually always on the tenants side as a renter myself but it sounds like you have s part to play here.

The law and our tenancy agreement state pest control is the landlords responsibility if pests are caused by a structural issue. Ours was caused by a structural issue. It has been confirmed it was caused by a structural issue and the issue was found and pointed out.

The rubbish was left outside after pest control had been, as we had to remove everything from the cupboards. There was no rubbish outside before we saw the mice and disposed of anything affected.

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Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:21

Herdinggoats · 10/03/2024 13:17

If you couldn’t get the rubbish collected you should’ve taken it to the dump. It seems hugely unreasonable to complain about rodents and then just leave bagged rubbish outside. It’s unsightly, unhygienic and antisocial.

So you feel my husband should take a day unpaid off work, to go to a dump that is only open 10-4 and miss out on a day's pay? 🤨
The rubbish was stored behind a wall next to our bin. You can't see it unless you look for it.

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Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:21

HelloMiss · 10/03/2024 13:18

You sound like a nightmare

Likewise

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purplecorkheart · 10/03/2024 13:22

Tenants like you are causing Landlords leave the market, making less places for rent and causing prices to go up.

DisplayPurposesOnly · 10/03/2024 13:22

I like your style.

Mummame222 · 10/03/2024 13:22

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:19

The law and our tenancy agreement state pest control is the landlords responsibility if pests are caused by a structural issue. Ours was caused by a structural issue. It has been confirmed it was caused by a structural issue and the issue was found and pointed out.

The rubbish was left outside after pest control had been, as we had to remove everything from the cupboards. There was no rubbish outside before we saw the mice and disposed of anything affected.

Ok fair enough about the first instance.

Seems strange you’d leave rubbish outside when you know there’s an issue or a potential issue. That’s on you. Even if you thought you wouldn’t need to pay surely you’d just take reasonable steps to avoid the issue?

Herdinggoats · 10/03/2024 13:22

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:21

So you feel my husband should take a day unpaid off work, to go to a dump that is only open 10-4 and miss out on a day's pay? 🤨
The rubbish was stored behind a wall next to our bin. You can't see it unless you look for it.

As you have a rodent infestation, yes I believe you should’ve taken the time to store or dispose of rubbish appropriately.

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:25

purplecorkheart · 10/03/2024 13:22

Tenants like you are causing Landlords leave the market, making less places for rent and causing prices to go up.

How?

I didn't leave the hole in the wall. I didn't want mice due to the landlords disrepair of the property. I didn't want to be forced to leave rubbish outside, for 4 days triple bagged or not.

If a landlord doesn't want to repair structural issues and chooses to leave the market because of the consequences of that, that's on them, not me.

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Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:28

Herdinggoats · 10/03/2024 13:22

As you have a rodent infestation, yes I believe you should’ve taken the time to store or dispose of rubbish appropriately.

Or the landlord could have kept the walls in good repair and prevented the infestation in the first place. Just a thought. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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Haydenn · 10/03/2024 13:28

Looking forwards to seeing how much your rent goes up by at the next review 🤣. But then as you don’t care if your landlord leaves the market I assume you plan on moving anyway.

You can’t just leave bin bags dumped outside on the floor, particularly when you know there are mice!!! You should’ve taken them to the tip

HelloMiss · 10/03/2024 13:29

Gets worse the more you post

Saucery · 10/03/2024 13:33

Where there’s mice there are usually rats too. Rats couldn’t give a fuck about fancy bin powder, so leaving bags outside wasn’t a good idea. But you’re leaving anyway, so 🤷‍♀️

Iwouldlikesomecake · 10/03/2024 13:33

Why would he need to take a day off? Even assuming you can’t drive and there is literally no other way for him to get to work (in which case he’s fucked if your car breaks) then you could have loaded the car up so he could have been at the tip for 10 and then he could have gone in late and either worked slightly different hours or a short day.

If he is genuinely self employed he should have the flexibility to do that.

I get that it’s annoying but shit happens that upsets the ‘daily routine’ and sometimes you just have to deal with it whether you are an owner or a renter. Being a renter doesn’t mean you’re living in a hotel. I also don’t really get why you threw out non-food items and sealed food items that hadn’t been chewed through as I can guarantee they probably had mice running over them in the warehouse they came from. But I get it may have made you feel better.

Mice can get in to literally minuscule gaps. If they have been driven away from their normal place because of flooding, unless your rural house is hermetically sealed you are likely to get mice somewhere along the line.

missmollygreen · 10/03/2024 13:36

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:21

Likewise

Don't post on AIBU if you are not prepared to hear YABU

Daffidale · 10/03/2024 13:40

Honestly no one looks good here
If they had a problem with the bin bags they should have asked you to move them at the time, not sent a complaint via the estate agent weeks after
You shouldn’t have left big bags outside really, but I get you didn’t have many other options. Which is why they should have talked to you. It does sound like you got them dealt with as soon as practical though.
You are reasonable to ask them to pay for the pest control as it was caused by a structural issue that is their responsibility
I get why you were annoyed by going for a counter complaint was escalating this unnecessarily

Precipice · 10/03/2024 13:43

Given their complaint, it's not unreasonable that you counter-complained.

DSD9472 · 10/03/2024 13:44

Do you honestly think rats and mice are deterred by bin powder and a triple bag?
You must have stuffed kitchen cupboards, to have filled 6 bin bags with food- plus whatever fitted in your regular bin.
If you genuinely couldn't get to to the tip, DH couldn't go before work etc. As a last resort, I would have bagged the food into smaller carrier bag sizes and dropped them in bins when shopping, at DH's work, asked neighbours etc.

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:45

Mummame222 · 10/03/2024 13:22

Ok fair enough about the first instance.

Seems strange you’d leave rubbish outside when you know there’s an issue or a potential issue. That’s on you. Even if you thought you wouldn’t need to pay surely you’d just take reasonable steps to avoid the issue?

It probably does sound strange but if we could have gone to the tip we would have gone to the tip. Under normal non rodent circumstances, if we were having a clearout we would do it on a Saturday when we could go to a tip.

But the reality is pest control came on a Tuesday, advised us to triple bag everything and take everything outside. The tip is 10 miles away, it's open 10-4, we have one car and my husband drives an hour away for work. I can't actually drive due to a medical condition that makes me unfit to drive so there are no work arounds regarding that.

The earliest husband can leave work is 4pm. WFH isn't an option and we really cannot afford to have unpaid days off work.
We live quite rurally so even in some idyllic world where I could take 5 bags of rubbish to the tip in a taxi there aren't taxis to do it.

Hence why I triple bagged the rubbish and put heavily scented bin powder in it. Pest control also advised us that as the mice likely came from grass near the hole in the wall they'd likely not come to the rubbish as the bags are on the other side of the building.

Maybe people want to assume I'm the tenant from hell, but this is the first time we've ever left rubbish outside.

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Theunamedcat · 10/03/2024 13:50

Petty complaint by the landlord they shoot themselves in the foot when they exaggerate a non issue how did they think they could complain about something that literally no longer exists you did them a favour paying for pest control and they have to make up a story just for spite

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:50

Haydenn · 10/03/2024 13:28

Looking forwards to seeing how much your rent goes up by at the next review 🤣. But then as you don’t care if your landlord leaves the market I assume you plan on moving anyway.

You can’t just leave bin bags dumped outside on the floor, particularly when you know there are mice!!! You should’ve taken them to the tip

We're moving in 6 weeks.

At any rate the bags were triple bagged and everything in them was sealed packages. Anything that was unsealed was prioritised for the bin.

There was no way we could have taken them to the tip any sooner than rubbish collection could have 🤷🏽‍♀️

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Picklestop · 10/03/2024 13:51

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:21

So you feel my husband should take a day unpaid off work, to go to a dump that is only open 10-4 and miss out on a day's pay? 🤨
The rubbish was stored behind a wall next to our bin. You can't see it unless you look for it.

Well it is better than leaving six bags of food stuff outside, that is disgusting! You sound like a nightmare tenant and I expect they are glad to see the back of you.

Mummame222 · 10/03/2024 13:54

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:45

It probably does sound strange but if we could have gone to the tip we would have gone to the tip. Under normal non rodent circumstances, if we were having a clearout we would do it on a Saturday when we could go to a tip.

But the reality is pest control came on a Tuesday, advised us to triple bag everything and take everything outside. The tip is 10 miles away, it's open 10-4, we have one car and my husband drives an hour away for work. I can't actually drive due to a medical condition that makes me unfit to drive so there are no work arounds regarding that.

The earliest husband can leave work is 4pm. WFH isn't an option and we really cannot afford to have unpaid days off work.
We live quite rurally so even in some idyllic world where I could take 5 bags of rubbish to the tip in a taxi there aren't taxis to do it.

Hence why I triple bagged the rubbish and put heavily scented bin powder in it. Pest control also advised us that as the mice likely came from grass near the hole in the wall they'd likely not come to the rubbish as the bags are on the other side of the building.

Maybe people want to assume I'm the tenant from hell, but this is the first time we've ever left rubbish outside.

I’m not gonna go as far as saying you’re a nightmare tenant for leaving some rubbish outside, that’s a bit extreme!!

I understand it was difficult for you to get it to the dump but that’s definitely not on the LL. it was your responsibility.

I wouldn’t die on this hill, you’re leaving soon.