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For invoicing my landlord and land lady and filing a complaint ?

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Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:11

Sorry for the length, I don't want to drip feed.

Two weeks ago, after returning from a 5 day trip we saw a mouse run into a gap in the kitchen base boards and found droppings. We contacted the estate agent who alerted the landlord and landlady (who live above us), got permission for pest control to remove the baseboards, called a next day pest control who came out within 24 hours. We also paid for pest control even though it's a landlords responsibility. Partially out of good will, but mainly because I just wanted the issue sorted.

Pest control confirmed we are not the cause of the mouse infestation. In his report he wrote the kitchen was clean and that the reason for the infestation was that there was heavy rain, and the mice sought refuge in our flat by entering via where some pipes are, as the hole is far too big for the pipes. He then said old cupboard doors meant that the mice accessed food sources by getting into the cupboards where the bottom of the doors don't align.

We obviously had to get rid of a lot of stuff in the kitchen. Our black bin is emptied every 3 weeks and was already half full. We filled it with the unsealed stuff from the cupboards or anything mice had gnawed through, and any sealed food items or general non food items were triple bagged with heavily scented bin powder (in case animals can smell sealed packaged food) and placed neatly next to said bins.

There were 5-6 bags next to the bin in total (sounds a lot, but I freaked and got rid of anything at mouse level). I contacted multiple rubbish collection companies, all but one gave over 7 days wait due to difficulties caused by our rural area flooding. I managed to find someone who could collect the rubbish within 4 days. I have the booking confirmation etc to prove all of this.

This Friday -2 weeks after the rubbish was removed, I got a letter from the estate agents saying the landlords have complained that 10-15 black bags of rubbish have been sat out for a prolonged period of time. We were told it is aggravating the mouse problem.

This is where I may have overreacted. I called the agents and explained the rubbish was collected two weeks ago, and that yes it was triple bagged outside for 4 days, but I can't control how busy businesses are.

The agent told me that they and the landlord and landlady feel we should have taken it to the tip sooner. So i pointed out that it wouldn't have gone any sooner because I booked on Tuesday and it was collected on Saturday morning, and because my husband takes the only car, an hour away to work in the week he would have also done it on Saturday. I also pointed out the landlords would have complained if the rubbish was kept in the kitchen for four days rather than keep the bags outside. The agent said they and the landlord also feel we could have taken a day off to take the rubbish to the tip.

I suggested that if the landlord and lady felt so strongly about the availability of rubbish collection services, or desperately wanted the rubbish taken on a weekday when the tip is open then they could have always taken the rubbish themselves. Or offered to reduce this month's rent to reflect the loss of earnings for my husband if he took an unpaid day off to take it.
(I don't actually expect them to do those things, I wanted to counter their unreasonable expectations.)

I then emailed the estate agent a copy of the rubbish collection booking, the pest control report, and the invoice from pest control.

I filed a counter complaint about the landlords malicious complaint of "10-15 open black bags of rubbish" as there were 6 triple bagged bags that were removed 2 weeks prior to the complaint being made, and requested reimbursement for pest control as the report indicates the mice got in due to structural issues of the property, making it their responsibility to pay for pest control and any follow ups according to our tenancy agreement.

My husband bumped into the landlady today on our shared drive and she made it clear that she is PISSED that I've made a counter complaint and requested a reimbursement for pest control. But I don't actually think I've done anything wrong. I did the best I could with the resources available and quite honestly I don't really feel like paying for pest control if they're going to make malicious, exaggerated complaints.

Just to add - I didn't feel the need to put up and shut up in case the landlord/lady files a section 21 no fault eviction out of spite. We're relocating in the next 6 weeks due to a job change so it's a none issue if I'm honest.

YABU - you should have taken the rubbish sooner and sucked up the cost of pest control

YANBU - your landlords should pay for pest control, and shouldn't have complained given the fact the rubbish was gone as soon as possible.

OP posts:
Missamyp · 15/03/2024 11:13

Mousegotinmyhouse · 10/03/2024 13:50

We're moving in 6 weeks.

At any rate the bags were triple bagged and everything in them was sealed packages. Anything that was unsealed was prioritised for the bin.

There was no way we could have taken them to the tip any sooner than rubbish collection could have 🤷🏽‍♀️

Why?
You can't just dump excessive bags of rubbish outside for the collection team.
You should've prioritised the rubbish and taken the bags to the tip yourselves.
Then you've embroiled yourself in an antagonistic war of words with the landlords over some mice and black bags.

Why make a frankly one off mice infestation into an existential crisis.

Mousegotinmyhouse · 15/03/2024 11:53

slippedonabanana · 15/03/2024 10:28

You've admitted that on two occasions you left uncovered bins outside, once when you had so much rubbish you couldn't close the bins and another when you left six loose bags out for days. This attracts mice!

I don't know how you can claim it's the landlord's fault you found a mouse in your apartment. You have no idea how it got in. They come in through standard vents or stroll in through open doors while you're putting out your rubbish. You are being unreasonable to say you got pest control 'as a favour' to your landlord when your ongoing actions seem to be inviting rodents to the buiding.

No I haven't. If you read my update, properly you will see that on one bin day, several weeks ago DH put a bag in the bin on bin day and didn't push it down properly/close the lid properly. Looking at the landlords photo the bin lid was ajar by 5cm at most. That is hardly an overflowing bin due to "excessive rubbish". It was also taken down the same day that bag was put in, and the lid will have been closed before it went down for collection because the council will not take bins that are open to any capacity.

I apologise if like the landlords you feel it is unreasonable that my husband requires enough medical equipment to fill a bin, I hope one day you can open your mind to the idea that different people have different needs. Bless you ❤️

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purplecorkheart · 15/03/2024 18:54

101Nutella · 15/03/2024 06:42

Excellent. More supply of housing to the market to help bring pricing down so more renters can buy.

landlords acting like they are doing a noble job when really they are hoarding assets for investment opportunities. Which inflates the housing market.

Not where I am. These properties are being bought up by Vulture Funds who resell them at huge prices that local people cannot afford and go to corporate landlords who rent to super high earners.

Mnk711 · 16/03/2024 13:20

@Mousegotinmyhouse did the landlord back down on the tree eventually- he did, but not before threatening to evict us. Luckily i had a friend who had just qualified as a barrister and helped us work out our legal position and send a strongly worded legal letter. Without that I think he'd have evicted us and taken our deposits 😥

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