Are you a socialist? What about your child? Or are you anti-abortion? Maybe anti-Monarchist? A communist? Do you know someone who is like that? Then the Government thinks you are showing signs of extremism and should be referred to Prevent

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And if you are a teacher, then you have a professional duty to report them

Socialism, anti-fascism and anti-abortion on Prevent list of terrorism warning signs | Prevent strategy | The Guardian

A document from Prevent, the official scheme to stop radicalisation, includes believing in socialism, communism, anti-fascism and anti-abortion in a list of potential signs of ideologies leading to terrorism.

It comes as the Conservative government considers widening what it will consider to be extremism.

The document is part of online Prevent awareness training for those covered by the duty to inform if they suspect radicalisation. That includes teachers and youth workers.

In a section on the left wing it states: “Two broad ideologies: socialism and communism. Each are united by a set of grievance narratives which underline their cause.”
In a section on single-issue ideologies, the document reads: “Narratives are likely to come from those who seek to change a specific policy or practice, as opposed to replacing the whole economic, political or social system. Examples include animal rights, anti-abortion or anti-fascism. Single-issue narratives can be politically agnostic, meaning they may be neither right nor left aligned.”

Neil Basu, a former police head of counter-terrorism, said: “That is far too nebulous, and there is no qualification. It might lead to unforeseen consequences such as overwhelming the system and bringing the system into disrepute.

The document:

You need to do the training to see the document

Awareness course | Prevent duty training (support-people-susceptible-to-radicalisation.service.gov.uk)

The only thing I could think was possibly the Brixton Riots, but I'm not even sure that could be classed as terrorism - probably would be now though.

This is a great point 👏

Basically, anyone either intelligent, educated, caring, socially responsible, politically aware or, god forbid, active — or any combination of these — is considered a danger.

The police aren't monitoring these people. Unless they present a risk.

Martin Lewis did make them change policy with a rather socialist idea with the increasing of Child Benefit. He's got a lot of support behind him online and challenges a fair amount of Tory policy. (Whispers) I think he likes animals too.

@AdamRyan Haven't found any after gpogling.

I quite agree, rapists very rarely pose a risk, as long as they know what a woman is.

Oh you can repeatedly stalk and threaten a woman and not get more than a caution from police.
Far more money going to stop terrorism than harm against women.

You're being deliberately obtuse.

Unless they know or have genuine reason to suspect someone is a risk, or unless someone is under certain conditions of bail / probation etc, the police don't monitor people.

With the government's excellent policy of defunding the police, you are correct there is little chance of them monitoring anyone.

So if someone over hears me at work giving a fuck about people struggling to pays bills and thinking the rich should pay more tax or saying the Royals need to go because they are a pointless waste of tax payers money. I should be reported? Bring it on.

My great-grandad's brother was an ardent socialist until the day he died. Born into quite unimaginable poverty in a Yorkshire mill town (which is still on its arse) fought the fascists with the International Brigade in the Spanish civil war, then fought the Nazis. Later became a teacher in the East End. He was occasionally still scrapping with the National Front in Brick Lane in London well into his later years. Fantastically proud of him. He was an inspiration.

Extremist?

Uncle Herb was absolutely on the correct side of history as far as I'm concerned.

No fucking Pasaran.

I would love to know what would happen on a reeducation course to bring someone back from the dark road of Republicanism.

Perhaps a tour of the stolen jewels in the Tower of London?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and the ability to express it.

I'm not sure what your basis of objection is OP - you're objecting as a teacher, or as an elector?

Apparently teachers already have shitloads to moan about and general 'voters' even more.

If you can add a it more clarity to your 'outrage', this ol' gal might have a bit of a better idea about your 'complaint'

I expressing a concern that people who have particular views could fall under the definition that requires others to refer them to the Prevent programme.

There are lots of issues that stem from that - including not only overwhelming the police but also the collection of data "somewhere" with people who have particularly strong views towards the way things are done in the UK and could / should be changed.

And this Government is going to be talking more and more about "extremism" over the next few weeks - the definition of extremism and who is included is important - if you get labelled as an "extremist", that can have implications.

Coming soon

No 10 faces Tory backlash over plans to broaden extremism definition | Conservatives | The Guardian

"Organisations such as the Muslim Council of Britain and protest groups such as Palestine Action are among those that could be affected by the non-statutory move to block groups from funding or accessing venues if they are regarded as promoting an ideology that undermines “British values”. The plan was reported by the Observer last year.
A minister said on Tuesday that he would not be happy if, for example, gender-critical feminists were labelled as extremists by a change of government policy
The trade minister Greg Hands told Times Radio that the prime minister had talked about taking on extremism and the government needed to work on definitions.
“The communities secretary, Michael Gove, is doing that right now. More work is being done. But obviously we need to target real extremism and not just a difference of views, honestly held views about these things,” he added.
The rightwing Tory MP Miriam Cates and Lord Frost, the high-profile rightwing peer, are among those who have expressed opposition amid concerns that the move could have an inadvertent impact on anti-abortion groups, advocates for socially conservative causes and those opposed to transgender rights.
“Any attempt to define extremism or fundamental British values is very risky because one person’s extremism is another person’s sincerely held and lawful belief,” Cates told the Guardian.
“An obvious is example is where I regularly call trans rights activists extremists for believing a man can be a woman just because he says he is, and that this gives him the right to enter women-only spaces, but equally I am called an extremist for believing there are only two biological sexes and that you can’t change sex

Yes, turn the other cheek is the new Christian value of synonymous with 'pretend it isn't happening'. We should all be so proud of our values!

Widening the definition looks like it could bring gender critical feminists and TRAs together in a common cause.

I think everyone can agree he's just put the majority of the country in the frame for terrorism on some level and that's idiotic. I'm wondering if it isn't some kind of data skewing to plead for more funds for military spending or something.

Does military spending get spent on overpaid consultants and mates down the pub?

Quite probably. There was a news article on the military basically not being fit for purpose anymore yesterday or the day before. As if we didn't know that post Tridant flop. So, as usual, we're going to pay for more men with guns to make everything better but now it's all of our faults rather than their usual dog-whistle rent-a-mob.

But we have two white elephants aircraft carriers so that we can go around the world dick flag waving with US marine planes and crews

I think you are undermining British Institutions

Revealed: plan to brand anyone ‘undermining’ UK as extremist | UK security and counter-terrorism | The Guardian

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