Are you a socialist? What about your child? Or are you anti-abortion? Maybe anti-Monarchist? A communist? Do you know someone who is like that? Then the Government thinks you are showing signs of extremism and should be referred to Prevent

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And if you are a teacher, then you have a professional duty to report them

Socialism, anti-fascism and anti-abortion on Prevent list of terrorism warning signs | Prevent strategy | The Guardian

A document from Prevent, the official scheme to stop radicalisation, includes believing in socialism, communism, anti-fascism and anti-abortion in a list of potential signs of ideologies leading to terrorism.

It comes as the Conservative government considers widening what it will consider to be extremism.

The document is part of online Prevent awareness training for those covered by the duty to inform if they suspect radicalisation. That includes teachers and youth workers.

In a section on the left wing it states: “Two broad ideologies: socialism and communism. Each are united by a set of grievance narratives which underline their cause.”
In a section on single-issue ideologies, the document reads: “Narratives are likely to come from those who seek to change a specific policy or practice, as opposed to replacing the whole economic, political or social system. Examples include animal rights, anti-abortion or anti-fascism. Single-issue narratives can be politically agnostic, meaning they may be neither right nor left aligned.”

Neil Basu, a former police head of counter-terrorism, said: “That is far too nebulous, and there is no qualification. It might lead to unforeseen consequences such as overwhelming the system and bringing the system into disrepute.

The document:

You need to do the training to see the document

Awareness course | Prevent duty training (support-people-susceptible-to-radicalisation.service.gov.uk)

Then you consider the context and whether or not a report needs to be made.

I'm not sure why this is difficult.

Lots of things can be signs of radicalisation. That you don't like this fact doesn't change it.

It doesn't mean anyone is going to be forced into a programme for having fairly commonplace views. Anti-abortion views for example. Many people hold these (I am not one of them). They have not all been reported to Prevent, because on its own it is not a red flag for radicalisation, but it can be a symptom so it's worth keeping an eye on, especially in children.

It sounds like it could be, but if you want to know for sure then you could always do the training yourself.

Not being forced to the program - well maybe not.
But should you raise your concerns so someone can make that decision to refer?

And when we have and they say that socialist views or being anti-abortion can be signs and we should report them...

Can you order me a badge too @pointythings?

Maybe you should keep a little notebook for the authorities so you can report them if their views become too dangerous.

Very possibly you could. But this is why you consider the whole context.

As I said in my first post, no-one is going to be snatched off the street and forced into a prevent program just because they're socialist / anti-abortionist / a bit of a twat.

Oh dear.
I'm socialist and strongly anti monarchy.
I'll go and hand myself in then.

Does anyone get snatched of the street to be put on the Prevent programme?

That's basically how safeguarding works. You don't assume anyone is "ok" or beyond question.

I'm sure we'd all agree that safeguarding is important, yes?

I think they should be reported.
Maybe the authorities will say no and won't refer them - but I will feel better for my peace of mind that I've done the right thing for Britain.

I think yabu as the government can say what it wants but when it comes down to it "prevent" is actually a public service mostly staffed by social workers, mental health practitioners and retired policemen.
I know because I had to refer someone to prevent. One of the patients who came through our service. For Incel type stuff.. talking about harming women etc..
Prevent were actually great. This guy ended up being mentored by these guys from Prevent who basically just took him to play snooker and had some long chats with him about how to be a decent man etc.. in my experience Prevent staff tend to be quite left wing themselves.. I seriously doubt regardless of what the government spout, that they are going to come for people solely because they hold left wing views.
The guidelines for referring people are clear... it can't just be 'they think all property is theft' it needs to be 'they think all property is theft and are intending to set off some bombs to get their point across'

The OP seems to be strongly implying that people are going to be reported for having reasonably mainstream views, so you may want to take that up with them.

Just following the guidelines.

Increasingly agitated or violent behaviour

• rmore argumentative in their viewpoints
• being abusive to others
• justifying the use of violence to solve societal issues

Changing associations

• changed friends
• altered their style of dress or appearance to accord with an extremist group
• using a new vocabulary
• isolated from friends and family
• Increasingly anti-social behaviours
• unwilling to engage with people who are different
• secretive and reluctant to discuss their whereabouts
• adopted the use of certain symbols associated with terrorist organisations

Anyone else seeing the Tories in the run up to Brexit above? They started to hang out with extremists, the ERG, Bannon, Farage and Tommy Robinson who were happy refugees were dying in boats on our shores. I'd call that a change of friends for the moderate Tories too. The vocab certainly changed https://www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/linguist-analyses-farages-migrant-rhetoric/2631174977198161/

All of the above was very anti-social behaviour and the vans TM commissioned as well as calling half of us Citizens of Nowhere. Unwilling to engage with people who are different has been a common theme on too many issues to count. They are now paranoid we might find them and protest near them and have said being anti-facism is a threat which I could as adopting associations with terrorist organisations...so yes, I see a lot of the boxes ticked against the Tories over the last 14 years.

I'm sure surveillance for this through our phones, tv and Alexa is not too far off..,,

That's not the guidelines.
You don't know if they are intending to set off bombs.
You just know they are showing signs of radicalisation.

Everyone should read 1984. Especially the teens and young adults.

You may call them mainstream views, the government calls them extremist.

If you want to bold ww1 down to its very basic route cause it would be kizzer bill being jealous of his cousin King Edward but that would be an oversimplification of the situation which involved the machinations of Austro-Hungarian ruling classes again imperialism not fascism. As for the rise of fascism in Germany between the wars it was as a direct result of the rise in communism and the failure of capitalism, which itself is a direct result of the treaty of versilles (know in Germany at the time as the dictat) and the reparations that it imposed.

As for my political leaning I'm a left leaning Liberal who is disgusted by the abject failure of the left to hold the far left at bay, instead they have embraced it. We have antifa turning up in anti women hate marches holding signs saying "punch a terf" etc.

I see history repeating itself and threads like this are just stoking the fires as you would see for yourself if you just took off those left =good right= bad blinkers.

I for one would really applaud any changes in trumps appearance. a full burkha would be the best choice. Happy to pay for it

No, the government calls them potentially extremist. Anything can be extremist if taken to, well, extremities. Doesn't matter if it's extreme left wing or right wing politics. Prevent is there to tackle extremism regardless of political stripe.

"I see history repeating itself and threads like this are just stoking the fires as you would see for yourself if you just took off those left =good right= bad blinkers."

I am sure Laurence Fox would not want someone trying to refer him to the Prevent programme because of his views and behaviour.

The Prevent programme should be used to prevent terrorism. Not as a vehicle to refer / attempt to refer people to because of their views that are not likely to lead to terrorism.

Prevent is to prevent terrorism.

Yes, and terrorism can arise from extreme political views, left or right, extreme religious views, incel views, etc etc.

Which is why the potential signs of radicalisation that need to be watched out for are very very wide ranging.

It doesn't mean if you are a socialist or if you resent women for not dating you that you're a criminal and need to be locked up.