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To not apologise when I meant what I said?

339 replies

MotherOfOlafs · 05/03/2024 15:02

MIL round for Sunday lunch last week, all very pleasant to start with. MIL always has a lot of comments about others appearances which we tend to ignore as rising to it just seems pointless. Until during lunch she told us about a woman she’d seen at a restaurant who had some facial hair. She then told us she’d taken a photo of this lady obviously without her knowledge and sent it to some friends who’d then ‘made some very funny comments’. She was laughing her head off while she was telling us this. To be perfectly honest it made me furious and I replied ‘I didn’t realise you were such a nasty bully MIL’.
The rest of the day was spent in silence pretty much. She now won’t speak to any of us (fine with me but DH is upset). He’s asked if I’ll consider apologising. I honestly don’t think I should, especially as this all went on in front of DD14 and I would never want her to think this behaviour is excusable.

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Iwasafool · 05/03/2024 17:24

She was nasty, good to pull her up. Not sure calling her a bully is appropriate, the other woman knew nothing about it, your MIL wasn't doing anything to bully the woman so I'd apologise for calling her a bully but tell her you don't want your DD to think it is OK to make fun of other people.

MotherOfOlafs · 05/03/2024 17:25

Cantrushart · 05/03/2024 17:13

How on earth did she get close enough to the woman to take a photograph of her facial hair without the woman noticing?

She didn’t. There’s a zoom option on most phones.

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MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 05/03/2024 17:25

Enko · 05/03/2024 15:13

I'd apologise for the manner you said it but explain that body positivity is important and especially in front of a 14 year old.

I know many wont agree with this. However, we also have to behave properly and education here for mil on why that was unkind is better than bullying / belitteling her. I assume you usually get on OK.

I agree with this. Also not sure what DD's takeaway would be - ie that OP blew up at MIL or rather why what MIL did and said was unacceptable

MotherOfOlafs · 05/03/2024 17:26

Iwasafool · 05/03/2024 17:24

She was nasty, good to pull her up. Not sure calling her a bully is appropriate, the other woman knew nothing about it, your MIL wasn't doing anything to bully the woman so I'd apologise for calling her a bully but tell her you don't want your DD to think it is OK to make fun of other people.

If that’s not bullying behaviour I don’t know what is! Wow

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Cattenberg · 05/03/2024 17:27

I would have tried to label the behaviour rather than the person, so would probably have just said “that’s bullying”.

That said, MIL deserved to be pulled up on her behaviour so I don’t think I would apologise.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 05/03/2024 17:27

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 05/03/2024 15:15

I'm going to go against the grain here and say YABU. There was a nicer way you could have conveyed what you did given you knew she'd be upset at your words and that, as your MIL, it is not like you won't see her in the future.

"I'm surprised at you MIL, that was an incredibly unkind thing to do"

Agree with this too - joining the 4%

Nanny0gg · 05/03/2024 17:28

DilemmaDelilah · 05/03/2024 16:38

I don't think you should apologise for what you said (although I do think the way you said it was unnecessarily rude) but I do think you should apologise for upsetting her. Don't, whatever you do, say 'if you were upset'. It's obvious she was upset.

I expect that if the OP had been 'nice' about it MiL would have taken no notice and probably carried on

LovelyTheresa · 05/03/2024 17:28

EarringsandLipstick · 05/03/2024 17:21

My view too.

YANBU but I would have commented on the behaviour, not targeted her directly as a bully.

Why? She was a bully. People like her don't either understand or deserve a softly softly approach.

iwafs · 05/03/2024 17:29

Utterly appalling behaviour from your MIL.
Someone having a rough time with their hormones, getting facial hair and your MIL is there zooming photos and distributing them?! What a horrible, horrible cow.

And she's confirmed her status as a bully by throwing a tantrum and trying to make out that you are the bad guy for calling her out.

Jaxhog · 05/03/2024 17:29

It's bad enough that she told her friends and laughed about it. But to take a photo as well? Absolutely despicable. Don't apologise.

Alaina7 · 05/03/2024 17:29

Well done! You shouldn’t be sorry and you certainly shouldn’t apologise! Backing down after bullies throw their toys out is what allows them to continue.

Iwasafool · 05/03/2024 17:30

MotherOfOlafs · 05/03/2024 17:26

If that’s not bullying behaviour I don’t know what is! Wow

Definition from the Oxford dictionary.
verb
gerund or present participle: bullying

  1. seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).
So how did she harm, intimidate or coerce this woman? She didn't did she. She was very unpleasant and immature but that isn't bullying, if you've seen someone who is being bullied you'd know it is nothing like that.

The only way it would be bullying would be if she'd published it on SM but you said she sent it to her friends which is a very different thing. Still nasty though.

LovelyTheresa · 05/03/2024 17:30

Honestly this thread is making me shake my head. All the mealy mouthed hypocrisy of 'well MIL did something awful, but it's not nice to hurt her feelings'. Why not? Why do her feelings matter? She sounds like the sort of person who doesn't give a crap about anyone else and then plays the victim.

5128gap · 05/03/2024 17:31

Apologise? I'd be doubling down. Any conversation we had would be my opportunity to ram home how inappropriate she'd been and that I expected her assurances she wouldn't be behaving like that around me or DD again. Your husband is being a wet lettuce who wants a quiet life. Tell him he needs to support you in this because you take a dim view of men who stay silent over this type of treatment of other women.

Alaina7 · 05/03/2024 17:31

Standard “crybully” attitude. She deserved to be offended.

iwafs · 05/03/2024 17:32

I kinda feel like I should get the tweezers out for my chin before going out tonight now!

Topseyt123 · 05/03/2024 17:32

I see no need whatsoever to apologise. You called your MIL out for shitty behaviour and were correct to do so.

Your MIL sounds like a disgrace. I don't think I would want her to come round for dinner anymore if she thinks that is an acceptable way to behave.

You also demonstrated to your DD that we don't have to put up with this kind of shit.

LovelyTheresa · 05/03/2024 17:32

Alaina7 · 05/03/2024 17:31

Standard “crybully” attitude. She deserved to be offended.

Absolutely. The people who are saying it 'wasn't bullying' need to have a word with themselves.

ohdamnitjanet · 05/03/2024 17:34

Scaffoldingisugly · 05/03/2024 15:14

If you have to see her at any point be wearing a fake beard....

Nursey in Blackadder has just popped into my mind 😆

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 05/03/2024 17:34

Coconutter24 · 05/03/2024 15:30

So bullies shouldn’t be called out because they won’t change their behaviour, so what you suggesting just leave all the bullies to go around doing as they please and no consequences?

Except that isn't what @Neverpostagain was saying!

MotherOfOlafs · 05/03/2024 17:35

LovelyTheresa · 05/03/2024 17:30

Honestly this thread is making me shake my head. All the mealy mouthed hypocrisy of 'well MIL did something awful, but it's not nice to hurt her feelings'. Why not? Why do her feelings matter? She sounds like the sort of person who doesn't give a crap about anyone else and then plays the victim.

Thank you!
It was said in the heat of the moment sure.
But I meant it

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MILTOBE · 05/03/2024 17:35

There's a similar thread where a waiter told a woman in her early 80s that he thought she was in her 90s.

In both cases those women had paid for a meal out and were enjoying themselves while someone ridiculed them. It's terrible behaviour.

I think as your daughter isn't her grandchild, that gives you more strength here as you really don't have to see your MIL if you don't want to.

mylovelytulips · 05/03/2024 17:37

Eas it a kind thing your MIL did? No it was horrid
But on the other hand it is not bullying. That isnt what bullying means The butt of the joke was an oblivious stranger who will never know,
You do not have to give voice to every thought that enters your head, Everyone there would have formed their own opinion on your MIL's behaviour. You could have just read the room, kept your mouth shut and not spoiled everyone else's afternoon.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 05/03/2024 17:40

Mammajay · 05/03/2024 17:17

I agree with your viewpoint but think it could have been said less harshly.

Yes, this too

Coconutter24 · 05/03/2024 17:42

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 05/03/2024 17:34

Except that isn't what @Neverpostagain was saying!

so what are they saying? I see their asking a question but what I took from the post was what I wrote