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My DH has hidden his true income from me... but why?!

433 replies

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 14:25

Together 15 years, married 10 years, 2 kids. we are happy. Name changed but regular mnetter.

Short version:
DH salary is £42.5k.
His commission bumped his income up to £97k last year, but he has never mentioned this.
AIBU to think he should have mentioned this at some point?

Long version:
DH basic salary is currently £42.5k. his monthly income only just covers his share
of the bills, so he rarely has any more left to add to savings pots, pay off
the mortgage etc.

My salary is more than DH's. I am a good saver, so I set aside my savings first,
and then decide what to do with the left over. I might save some more, I might
spend.

We have separate finances (I know this divides opinions on here!) We get paid into our own bank accounts, and then transfer a set amount each month to a joint account. All bills are paid from the joint account. We are then left with our
own pots of money to do as we wish.

Generally this has worked well for both of us as I am a good saver, so despite the fact I earn more, I also will save for big ticket items and pay for those.... new
boiler, holiday, big days out, family meals, theatre tickets etc.

I feel confident that this has been an even split over the years. And for many
years, DH took home more than I did.

Today, the post has been delivered and there are several letters in there. As I went through them, there are 3 letters from the Inland Revenue. 2 letters are in small brown envelopes, nothing unusual.

One of the letters was bigger and had a large window where the name and address is. Through the window, I could instantly see the words, Income: £97,000

I can’t unsee this. I didn’t go looking for this. It’s actually shocking how it is so clear. I guess it’s the way the letter has been drafted and folded, and this info just happened to end up in the window and be so visible.

Now I don’t know what to do… only yesterday we were talking about job hunting and he was saying that he needs to earn more money as he doesn’t like feeling like he always owes me money for things (I just paid for a big holiday out of the savings).

He has potential to earn commission in his role, but at no point has he ever alluded to the fact he has doubled his basic income. All this time I am thinking he earns much less than me, and I have been paying for things out of the savings to make things fairer. His car needed a full service and work done recently and I even offered to pay for that. He didn’t take me up.

I can’t think what he has spent his money on. We have 2 nice cars – we pay for these monthly and I know how much this costs. Our children do lots of activities, but again this is all out of the joint account so I know how much these cost.

We hardly eat out. He doesn’t have a shopping habit, we don’t belong to expensive clubs. We both WFH mostly, and spend all weekends together.

If I can save money each month, then how has he ended up with not enough to even contribute to joint holidays, and say he needs a better paid job?!

I recognise we are financially comfortable, and I am not here for a debate on
WHAT we spend our money on. We both pay into pensions.

AIBU in thinking he should have told me his whole income, rather than let me think he only earns his basic salary. I feel a bit of a mug to be honest.

Or is it none of my business? He hasn’t actually lied… I’ve never asked him what he took home last year. But at the same time, I had no idea his earning potential was that high!

OP posts:
ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 05/03/2024 18:56

Do you not think you are being very hypocritical at all?

You split everything 50:50 even though he earned less and apparently your surplus earnings pay for things like holidays.

Even taking things at the worst possible figures, you woukd need to be have very expensive holidays and likely more than one to even be in anyway fair or balanced.

Given they are you household rules, I don't blame him on bit.

You seem to want it all in your favour.

Merryoldgoat · 05/03/2024 18:58

This is the result of separate finances though.

He pays half.

If anything I don’t understand why he was paying the same as you if you thought he earned so much less.

The whole situation seems poor for a married couple with children.

If you can’t trust the other there’s no point.

Shetlands · 05/03/2024 18:58

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 05/03/2024 18:56

Do you not think you are being very hypocritical at all?

You split everything 50:50 even though he earned less and apparently your surplus earnings pay for things like holidays.

Even taking things at the worst possible figures, you woukd need to be have very expensive holidays and likely more than one to even be in anyway fair or balanced.

Given they are you household rules, I don't blame him on bit.

You seem to want it all in your favour.

It seems you haven't read all of the OPs posts in this thread, in common with several other posters.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 05/03/2024 19:02

Shetlands · 05/03/2024 18:58

It seems you haven't read all of the OPs posts in this thread, in common with several other posters.

I have actually, have you a point to make or did you just fancy complaining?

fleurneige · 05/03/2024 19:02

3 questions come to mind. Has he got severe debts you don't know about? Has he got another girlfriend or family even, or is he a gambler?

GuinnessBird · 05/03/2024 19:03

I'm sorry but if OP was a man she'd be called every name going by now.

FinallyFeb · 05/03/2024 19:03

OP I’m amazed you are staying so calm about this.

Naunet · 05/03/2024 19:04

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 05/03/2024 19:02

I have actually, have you a point to make or did you just fancy complaining?

Then did you miss the part that said this was also the arrangement when he earned more? Or how she had to fund her own maternity leave with no help from him? Or maybe how all her spare money goes towards the family whilst he’s lied and hid his?!

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 19:04

Even taking things at the worst possible figures, you woukd need to be have very expensive holidays and likely more than one to even be in anyway fair or balanced.

We do have very expensive holidays. Last one was over £12k.

I will consider carefully how I 'mug off' my husband, by saving hard and spending my cash to provide luxury items for my poor family.

OP posts:
Shetlands · 05/03/2024 19:07

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 05/03/2024 19:02

I have actually, have you a point to make or did you just fancy complaining?

Yes I do have a point to make. You say the OP seems "to want it all in her favour" but have you missed the bits when she was earning less or the bits where she saved to support herself during maternity leave without any top up from DH? How is that "all in her favour"?

drumbeats · 05/03/2024 19:10

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 18:40

Letter is open.... it is legitimate.

It's from HMRC
It's about an overpayment of tax for the year 22/23.
It states his income for the year and his adjusted tax code for the year.

There's about 4 pages and some leaflets about over /underpaying tax

The 2nd letter was a new tax code for 23/24

The final letter was a cheque for the overpaid amount (£200).

All legit.

I'm doing kids bedtime, but I'll try and get an non identifying photo for those who want evidence... what would you like and I'll do my best to deliver!

And no I did not open the letter myself. I've never done that and never would. I honestly saw the amount though the envelope window.

DH and I had a chat. It was from 22/23. He got a big lump of commission in one go and used it to pay of some small debts, then kept the rest to live off during his lower paid months and top up his income.

I'm not overly happy he let me think he earned about £42.5k plus commission (so I assumed about £60k). but hey ho. We will probably re-think they way we do finances so it's more transparent. Something to think about.

No second family
No expensive secret holidays
No gambling
No drugs.

So he felt it was ok for you to use all your money to pay for holidays and household maintenance whilst he just ...spent his. I'd be fuming. FUMING. What's yours is 'ours' and what's his is 'his' it would seem

drumbeats · 05/03/2024 19:12

Merryoldgoat · 05/03/2024 18:58

This is the result of separate finances though.

He pays half.

If anything I don’t understand why he was paying the same as you if you thought he earned so much less.

The whole situation seems poor for a married couple with children.

If you can’t trust the other there’s no point.

Because he fritters. He can't save. So they both pay equal into bills and the OP does all the saving for their big expenses. If they did it any other way DH would just fritter and there would be less saved for big expenses.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 05/03/2024 19:13

Shetlands · 05/03/2024 19:07

Yes I do have a point to make. You say the OP seems "to want it all in her favour" but have you missed the bits when she was earning less or the bits where she saved to support herself during maternity leave without any top up from DH? How is that "all in her favour"?

Thank you for taking it.

They were earning almost equal until she got the promotions. Then she was earning more. If she was earning more then why wouldn't she fund the maternity herself.

FOJN · 05/03/2024 19:13

Sorry OP so many people do not seem to have read the thread.

I think your set up sounds practical given your husband's money management skills, at least if he's paying half the bills you can save for the family luxuries and big expenses, it's not as if you are hoarding money for yourself or keeping it a secret.

Even if he had earmarked his large commission for paying debts and topping up his salary I think 55k is conversation worthy and I would be pissed off he had mentioned neither his debts or commission.

I think a discussion about finances with full disclosure of bank statements, credit card bills etc is needed and I would set the expectation of transparency about earnings.

Katbum · 05/03/2024 19:17

That’s family money, surely?

two thoughts -
is this letter your only evidence, or has he admitted it, because seeing one line of a letter in the plastic window…well you may have massively misinterpreted what’s going on. You need to talk, if you haven’t already.

if he has earned double what you know, and spent it - are you sure there isn’t another woman? Seems unlikely you can spend an additional 10-20k (depending on tax) without having something obvious to show for it.

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 19:18

FOJN · 05/03/2024 19:13

Sorry OP so many people do not seem to have read the thread.

I think your set up sounds practical given your husband's money management skills, at least if he's paying half the bills you can save for the family luxuries and big expenses, it's not as if you are hoarding money for yourself or keeping it a secret.

Even if he had earmarked his large commission for paying debts and topping up his salary I think 55k is conversation worthy and I would be pissed off he had mentioned neither his debts or commission.

I think a discussion about finances with full disclosure of bank statements, credit card bills etc is needed and I would set the expectation of transparency about earnings.

Yes I think we will discuss it in a lot more detail at some point in the near future!

I'm not pleased. I feel a bit blindsided by something that has completely taken me by surprise. I'm very open and transparent about my income and savings.

OP posts:
FOJN · 05/03/2024 19:19

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 05/03/2024 19:13

Thank you for taking it.

They were earning almost equal until she got the promotions. Then she was earning more. If she was earning more then why wouldn't she fund the maternity herself.

For goodness sake read the OP's posts. They have two children. She only became the higher earned two years ago which means that when she was the lower or equal earner she still paid 50/50 and funded her own maternity leave.

Her husband is now hiding how much he earns whilst she saves and funds all the family's big purchases and holidays which she is happy to do.

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 19:29

Thanks @FOJN ! I didn't think it was that hard to keep track of.

OP posts:
fleurneige · 05/03/2024 19:32

drumbeats · 05/03/2024 19:12

Because he fritters. He can't save. So they both pay equal into bills and the OP does all the saving for their big expenses. If they did it any other way DH would just fritter and there would be less saved for big expenses.

To pay 'small' debts!!! How small were they if he needed almost half his large salary to pay them?

So he fritters, so that's OK?!? What a magnificently rubbish excuse. So she has to save and not fritter herself to pay for all extras.

What * nonsense!

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 19:33

They were earning almost equal until she got the promotions. Then she was earning more. If she was earning more then why wouldn't she fund the maternity herself.

@ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees
I wasn't earning more when I had the kids.
My promotions have been in the past couple of years, several years after I had maternity leave.

OP posts:
Dacadactyl · 05/03/2024 19:36

My personal opinion is that of course he should've told you and I would hit the roof if I found this out about ny husband.

However, if you're not doing joint finances, I don't see how it's any of your business.

Sorry OP. I do think if you're married the only way to go is joint money. If you're not doing joint money, I don't think you have the right to get upset about this.

MikeRafone · 05/03/2024 19:36

Lampslights · 05/03/2024 17:31

im sorry but did you not understand the op? Where she pays foe everting else extra they need as she thought he earned less? Or that he’s her husband and they have two kids?

Op asked if he needed money to get his car fixed - he said no.

If she wants to keep money separate then this type of issue will occur

I understand that have two children and he is her husband - but this is how they arrange their finances - its not for me I like joint finances and then taking out our won money which is the same, this way we both know what is happening, how much is coming in and its a family pot as we are a family - not two people living together bring up children.

RandomMess · 05/03/2024 19:37

I hope he apologises and shows some remorse for lying by omission.

LiveLaughCryalot · 05/03/2024 19:39

I'm not overly happy he let me think he earned about £42.5k plus commission (so I assumed about £60k). but hey ho.

I don't know if I'm missing something but you seem so calm, almost like yep, same old shit. This is massive! I can't imagine my OH keeping 50 grand hidden or just frittering it away. It just wouldn't happen. He watched you spend your savings while you were on maternity leave? Though that does make sense if you've always payed 50/50 throughout change of circumstance etc.
It's very concerning that he's been pretending to be bothered that he can't contribute to holidays or extras though. Cos he is pretending isn't he? He's had 50 GRAND to himself over the last year.
Again sorry if I'm missing something but I don't like the sound of him. I'm gonna guess that he's just abit shit generally and that's why you seem so... resigned?

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 19:40

LiveLaughCryalot · 05/03/2024 19:39

I'm not overly happy he let me think he earned about £42.5k plus commission (so I assumed about £60k). but hey ho.

I don't know if I'm missing something but you seem so calm, almost like yep, same old shit. This is massive! I can't imagine my OH keeping 50 grand hidden or just frittering it away. It just wouldn't happen. He watched you spend your savings while you were on maternity leave? Though that does make sense if you've always payed 50/50 throughout change of circumstance etc.
It's very concerning that he's been pretending to be bothered that he can't contribute to holidays or extras though. Cos he is pretending isn't he? He's had 50 GRAND to himself over the last year.
Again sorry if I'm missing something but I don't like the sound of him. I'm gonna guess that he's just abit shit generally and that's why you seem so... resigned?

50 grand less tax and NI, so it'll be more like 30 grand tbf. Still a big thing to lie about.

Although it seems to me that this is almost a logical consequence of the whole "separate finances" madness.

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