Assigned Female at Birth - AFAB

[ShugarTits]

AIBU to get the actual rage every time I see this written down? Often in reputable sources.

Obviously this has come about due to people differentiating between gender and sex - I understand needing clarity between those two when talking to or questioning people.

but every single bloody time I read it I can only think of the horrific female infanticide statistics. AIBU to think ‘assigned female at birth’ is fucking offensive to women, as so many of us are killed at birth ONLY because we are female. Nobody assigned those infants a female sex, they didn’t just randomly pick half of the babies and murder them.

can’t we agree as a society to call out AFAB and AMAB as being horrific and change it? Happy to hear alternatives. Observed female/male at birth sounds reasonable to me if you need to specify birth sex vs gender.

Of course, but vulnerable girls are more likely to be harmed by trans ideology. My daughter is autistic many of her peers are 'identifying' as boys/ non binary now at the risk of being infertile in the future due to wanting puberty blockers and radical double mastectomies at adulthood. Does that not concern you, it's fucking horrifying to me?

And I mentioned religious minorities in my last post. Women of religious minority are more impacted by trans ideology than other women. Some now have to self exclude because women's swimming sessions might include male bodied people and toilets are no longer single sex. Doesn't that bother you?

Think about who you are helping here, men are not and will never be a minority, no matter what gender feelings they claim to have.

is that a serious comment or just glib nonsense to deflect so you don’t have to engage with the rest of the post?

Funny? In what way?

It’s not deflection

Surely if you care so much about babies being killed for merely being born female, this movement would be music to your ears.

Nope, can’t spend my life hunting for reasons to kick off cos Trans. It’s a collection of letters fgs.

They ask other stuff but you don’t get your knickers in a twist about how many of them were murdered as a result of it?

I thought you didn’t like people bowing down to ideology

Yet you use it when convenient to your argument

One could ask why a womans religious ideology is more important than someone else’s gender ideology. Both are nonsense according to you?

YANBU.

Total regressive nonsense.

Nobody is assigned anything at birth.

Birth certificates record the circumstances of a birth.

If you think that religious minority women should be further repressed by males then I think that says quite a lot about what you think about women.

I don't have to believe in their religion to think that all women should have rights to spaces free from males.

They ask other stuff but you don’t get your knickers in a twist about how many of them were murdered as a result of it?

How many were murdered here in the UK for asking for other ‘stuff’?

Nope, let’s not try and deflect now shall we

I thought you didn’t like people bowing down to ideology.

Yet you’re now saying someone’s religious ideology is reason why someone’s gender ideology shouldn’t be accepted.

If you're going down this road at least pick an argument and stick with it

Who has been murdered for asking for AFAB and AMAB to be included in documentation?

As pp have pointed out, the concerning thing about the idea of gender being 'assigned' rather than sex being observed is normalising the illusion of choice in the matter. 'Somebody got it wrong and it can be changed'. That should really not be the starting point. And yet it is something young people are being brought up to believe.

I agree with OP's point that it is an indulgence not afforded to women and girls suffering in other cultures.

Possibly the most offensive thing I've ever read.
Following your logic, if the societies that don't value girls adopted gender ideology, they could stop killing female babies and wait to confirm if the child grew up to be gender conforming and kill them as an older child instead.

It's not a deflection at all.

A woman with a religion is not making unreasonable demands based on her ideology. A man who claims woman gender is, by demanding access to single sex spaces reserved for women.

Why do you think that society should bow down to the demands of a section of men even though the harms to women are clearly evident ?

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for some one posters.

What on earth are you talking about? At least read the comment I was replying to if you want to join in!

Nah, the most offensive thing here is the OP using dead children to try and give their weird argument more weight

I did read it

who has died on either side of this AFAB debate thus far

Yes it is. Within the group of DSD conditions some people have totally unambiguous genitalia and some have small issues but not anything that causes ambiguity. So that leaves only a very small number.

I agree OP, it is disgusting.
A baby comes out with male or female DNA, and MEDICAL people who work with SCIENTIFIC principles (not feelings or identities) should adhere to biological reality.

It would give me the rage too if I saw it every day. And the intersex thing is so utterly rare, it's no excuse.

Yanbu OP.

We are born female.

Well that’s what I was asking the PP to tell me, so I’ll let you know once they reply.

That is not how OP appears, and you've completely missed her point.

The claim is not that babies are killed because of the nonsense term "AFAB". The claim is that the term is a kick in the teeth to all of the girls and women who have suffered because they are female, not because of some airy woowoo notion that "Ooh, we just can't tell, let's assign this one female and that one male!"

We can tell. Everyone can tell. Because sex is real.

Some people evidently can't understand that a post may contain more than one distinct points.🤷‍♀️

In your opinion.

Either way you’re fine bowing down to ideology when it suits your argument.

A bit odd