Assigned Female at Birth - AFAB

[ShugarTits]

AIBU to get the actual rage every time I see this written down? Often in reputable sources.

Obviously this has come about due to people differentiating between gender and sex - I understand needing clarity between those two when talking to or questioning people.

but every single bloody time I read it I can only think of the horrific female infanticide statistics. AIBU to think ‘assigned female at birth’ is fucking offensive to women, as so many of us are killed at birth ONLY because we are female. Nobody assigned those infants a female sex, they didn’t just randomly pick half of the babies and murder them.

can’t we agree as a society to call out AFAB and AMAB as being horrific and change it? Happy to hear alternatives. Observed female/male at birth sounds reasonable to me if you need to specify birth sex vs gender.

This.

It's the inference that it's assigned and then the correct one according to 'feels' is then sorted later.

It's all weird. Some would have biology thrown out the window.

I'm not playing those games. Sex is observed not assigned.

How is it a kick in the teeth?

How is it a kick in the teeth?

Again. This has been explained. Are you really struggling with this understanding? I fail to believe you are.

I understood why the poster felt it was a kick in the teeth by the words that followed.

Yep, it’s just performative.
Sex is observed, not assigned.

People can believe what they want so long as it doesn't harm others.

Trans ideology harms women and children.

Those who believe that the earth is flat are perpetuating falsehoods too, but those are harmless falsehoods.

Claiming that society should be based on gender (which no one can define without resorting to sexist stereotypes) demonstrably harms others, particularly women and vulnerable children.

You don’t think certain religions harm women and children?

It hasn’t been explained at all

Why is it a kick in the teeth to the OP? Why does the OP try and link it to dead children over the other side of the world?

Why are you asking that? She said FLAT EARTH does not hurt anyone, not religion.

Its like you’re reading from behind a colander.

Nope she mentioned certain religions prevent women from associating with male bodied people

Maybe you need to start reading comments in the chain before engaging. Which is exactly what you advised me to do

It hasn’t been explained at all

I've managed to grasp it from the posters here. If you don't understand it then you don't understand it. We all have varying comprehension skills I guess. Like those who believe sex is assigned at birth.

unless you are a baby who was killed due to being born female, of the mother of one this isn’t going to be a kick in the teeth

It’s incredibly shitty to use dead children as an argument for your weird vendetta.

Where have I said that?

What I think is that a belief that males are women because they say so and the fact that we no longer have single sex spaces further represses women of religious minority, especially women who are subject to the harms of their religion by males.

What you are saying is that those women should now be further repressed by males because there is no place that they can go free from males. I find that absolutely vile.

Dutch what you stand for is men's right's activism. If you were concerned about women of religious minority you would be arguing for women's single sex spaces not against them.

*unless you are a baby who was killed due to being born female, of the mother of one this isn’t going to be a kick in the teeth

It’s incredibly shitty to use dead children as an argument for your weird vendetta.*

😂🙄

Like I said, different comprehension skills.

A lot of us do care about things that don't affect us personally. That is why we donate to charities and organisations that try to help vulnerable women and girls, in the UK and elsewhere.

No it's not.

It implies someone made a choice.

It's not a choice. It's observable fact

But that’s not the comment you were responding to. You’re jumping around all over the place to defend an ideology which you say you don’t even believe in, being pushed on all of us. Why?

I am sure the women and girls in Afghanistan wish they had been assigned male at birth. However, as we know, sex is determined at conception and observed at birth.

Nothing wrong with female sex and male sex.

Or before birth - I had an amnio so I knew I was having a girl before she was born.
Unfortunately in some countries selective termination still happens so many female foetuses never get as far as being 'assigned female at birth'.

Sex recorded at birth. I have no issue with this version - it covers people with DSDs and people who go on to trans-identify and allows them (and health professionals) to distinguish between their (recorded) sex and their gender identity.

'Assigned at birth' is a biological nonsense.

And 'sex change' operations are also a nonsense given that you can't actually change sex. I actually prefer 'gender-affirming surgery' as a term as it better describes the aim of the surgery, though would still prefer to name the component parts (bilateral mastectomy, penectomy, gonadectomy, penile inversion, phalloplasty etc etc) since the details vary between patients.

Neither was the comment of yours I replied to

Maybe you can take your own advice and read the context of a chain before joining in

That poster said she was fine with religious ideology preventing people from entering certain spaces, then brings in the element of causing harm

Id hazard a guess the religions where women are restricted in terms of who they can associate with have far more female blood on their hands than the trans movement

Then surely you should be championing this movement?

Bringing the concept of assigned gender to the Middle East to prevent deaths.

I think you could win a Nobel prize for that

Yes it was, try again.

So why are you defending an ideology that you don’t believe in? You know sex isn’t assigned at birth, who does it help to pretend it is?

Maybe you could then focus your attention on helping women in these communities. As that would have a bigger impact on them than the AFAB and AMAB movement being halted.

What I’m saying is nothing of the sort

Their religious ideology doesn’t outweigh anyone else’s ideology. If they’re being repressed by their religion let’s tackle that instead of picking at the edges of the problem