Assigned Female at Birth - AFAB

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AIBU to get the actual rage every time I see this written down? Often in reputable sources.

Obviously this has come about due to people differentiating between gender and sex - I understand needing clarity between those two when talking to or questioning people.

but every single bloody time I read it I can only think of the horrific female infanticide statistics. AIBU to think ‘assigned female at birth’ is fucking offensive to women, as so many of us are killed at birth ONLY because we are female. Nobody assigned those infants a female sex, they didn’t just randomly pick half of the babies and murder them.

can’t we agree as a society to call out AFAB and AMAB as being horrific and change it? Happy to hear alternatives. Observed female/male at birth sounds reasonable to me if you need to specify birth sex vs gender.

So the transphobes here who are adamant that no human being should 'be allowed to live a lie' - how does this impact on your interaction with trans people?

Facts are not transphobic so which posters are you calling transphobic? Name them.

Because obviously the first would have a significant impact, whereas the second would have almost no impact at all, in fact would likely go unnoticed if transphobes weren't obsessing about it all the time.

For such an minority you'd think there would be no significant impact, but I'd say that the woman raped by a trans woman in an NHS hospital women's ward would beg to differ that it's insignificant.

As would the victims of Katy Dolotoskwi, Karen White etc etc.

That's not to mention the women impacted by the likes of Lia Thomas, Emily Bridges

Etc etc.

And those are just the high profile names.

For such a harmless minority they don't half have a negative impact on women and girls.

Or are we all supposed to ignore these facts @izimbra ? Have you no sympathy for these women and girls? Don't they exist to you?

Nope! Any man makes a single sex space a mixed sex space disadvantaging the women

how many women is it ok to piss off just to make men happy? I guess for you it’s as many as it takes so long as men aren’t told no or feel sad

and trust me, TW do not go unnoticed because you know humans can accurately sex each other that’s how we manage to reproduce

but you know all this

whereas the second would have almost no impact at all

Right, so no impact on women's sports then? Or the women who got raped by Karen White in a women's prison? Heard of Katie Delatowski? Or the woman who raped by a transwoman on a hospital ward and was told it couldn't have happened until CCTV proved it did.

Why do you think spaces are segregated by sex in the first place? Or are you just interested in shouting 'transphobes' at every opportunity without actually answering much.

If it’s common to kill female babies how would it make a difference if they were assigned/observed female at birth? Surely either way they’re still female.

I just "correct" it on every single form I have to fill in. Complete nonsense. It's observed or noted, not bloody assigned. Nobody tossed a coin!

The TRA who very publicly and ok camera smacked an elderly lady in the face at a rally in NZ last year because she believes sex is real.

That's pretty dehumanising too. But it's ok as he was cleared in court and is allowed anonymity in terms of these charges.

But, yeah pronouns and such ..,

I genuinely have no idea what assigned female/male at birth means.

How does that work with sex scans for pg women? Is that assigned female/male at scan?

I don’t get why assault is ok

How can a male punch a 70 year old woman and be cleared? It’s obscene

A narcissistic abusive partner might believe it when they say that they love you, when they're gaslighting you and beating the shit out of you, but the fact of the matter is it is a lie.

People can believe something, and it still be a lie.

People could say the sky is red, and believe it, and it's definitely a lie. However because they believe it, it's also a delusion.

If it’s common to kill female babies how would it make a difference if they were assigned/observed female at birth? Surely either way they’re still female.

If sex was actually a property which could be 'assigned' at birth, they'd just be assigned as boys rather than unwanted girls.

It's a glib phrase which denies reality

What makes your stance different from the stance of the Britain First crowd who argue that the UK should stop all immigration from India and Pakistan because of the over representation of Pakistani men in grooming gang crimes? Because when you say 'it's not fair to target all Pakistani men', the response is 'don't you care about the rape and exploitation of vulnerable girls by Asian grooming gangs?'

It's the oldest fascist trick in the book - to consider an entire category of people responsible for the crimes of a few individuals.

As for the sports thing - really struggle to care about this. At the moment people who attended private schools are hugely, hugely over represented in elite sports. Like the degree of inequality so vastly overshadows the miniscule number of wins that trans women have achieved in sports that it's laughable.

It's the oldest fascist trick in the book - to consider an entire category of people responsible for the crimes of a few individuals.

Women who want single sex spaces away from all males are not fascists.

One day the world will look back at these times in collective horror at the harms that they have justified to women and children, because some men have undefinable feelings of gender.

It is not women who are the fascists.

I was kind of hoping for some new arguments but as usual it’s the same old tired fatuous bullshit from the hard of thinking

who i note as always don’t answer any of the questions asked them

And the collective harm to children and vulnerable adults in the name of this ideology. Do you have a view on that @izimbra ? I'll link the thread again in case you missed it last time
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1764799914918490287.html

But in case you can't be bothered to read it:

The injuries described in the WPATH Files include sterilization, loss of sexual function, liver tumors, and death.

WPATH members indicate repeatedly that they know that many children and their parents don’t understand the effects that puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries will have on their bodies. And yet, they continue to perform and advocate for gender medicine.

The WPATH Files prove that gender medicine is comprised of unregulated and pseudoscientific experiments on children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults. It will go down as one of the worst medical scandals in history.

*What makes your stance different from the stance of the Britain First crowd who argue that the UK should stop all immigration from India and Pakistan because of the over representation of Pakistani men in grooming gang crimes? Because when you say 'it's not fair to target all Pakistani men', the response is 'don't you care about the rape and exploitation of vulnerable girls by Asian grooming gangs?'

It's the oldest fascist trick in the book - to consider an entire category of people responsible for the crimes of a few individuals.

As for the sports thing - really struggle to care about this. At the moment people who attended private schools are hugely, hugely over represented in elite sports. Like the degree of inequality so vastly overshadows the miniscule number of wins that trans women have achieved in sports that it's laughable.*

Nice bit of whataboutery there that's got nothing to do with what I posted but not surprising. Your level of comprehension isn't that great to be fair.

MEN commit 98% of sexual and violent crime. That's why safeguarding measures are put into place to try and mitigate this, by way of sex segregated spaces. That's not to say all men are going to commit crimes, but we don't know which ones are the bad ones. By letting those in who have special identity feelings, that then makes those spaces mixed SEX and this increases the risk to women. No one is saying all trans women are a risk, but those examples are an example of the problem with self ID.

Just one person cheating is enough. It's laughable that you spout the nonsense that you do. Not laughable to women who have spent their lives training only to be beaten by a mediocre man.

Away and educate yourself on 'fascism'.

Yeah it's getting boring now.

At the moment people who attended private schools are hugely, hugely over represented in elite sports. Like the degree of inequality so vastly overshadows the miniscule number of wins that trans women have achieved in sports that it's laughable.

Two wrongs never did make a right, and the effect of males in women's sports isn't just at the elite levels. But laugh away at women and girls being cheated out of their places, or in some cases injured.

Sorry, but that sounds like typical TRA bingo - “transphobes!”, “just like Britain First!”, “literally fascists!”, and then, after several people have patiently explained how women are affected: “I actually don’t care! There are bigger issues than this!”

Sport might not matter to @izimbra but to my daughter it has been life saving.

She's autistic and was non gender conforming until very recently and had a time when she thought she was a boy because she thought she had more in common with boys than girls because she doesn't conform with regressive stereotypes. Then she discovered there are sporty girls like her and now she represents her county at cricket for her age group.

Girls like my daughter would be misplaced should a boy who says he is has girl gender feelings want to be in her team. Because the ICC currently would allow that boy to enter.

But who cares about girls, hey?

Nothing changes for women and girls just when we started to make headways to equality men came along with gender feelings and took it all away

Edited to tag the correct poster - apologies @inamarina

Exactly.

And being intersex is rare.

I think that they were trying to support your bizarro opinions. 😂

I think that this is very true - I only hope that it happens in my lifetime.

As for the sports thing - really struggle to care about this. At the moment people who attended private schools are hugely, hugely over represented in elite sports. Like the degree of inequality so vastly overshadows the miniscule number of wins that trans women have achieved in sports that it's laughable.

So you don't care about women losing opportunities and status in sport. You don't care about more women being assaulted. You don't care about vulnerable women in hospital being violated and then lied to.

I presume you don't care about women prisoners incarcerated with violent men either. Or orthodox religious women having to bow out of public spaces and leisure opportunities they once enjoyed. Or lesbians losing their rights to women only social events or dating apps.

You just don't give a shit about women generally, do you? Own it.

I really hope you are right. Atm it feels like a mix of Orwell and McCarthyism

I hope we’ll start to get studies outlining how on earth we got to where we are. With women writing history

The part that concerns me is gender in schools, religions know you can keep going if you can get to dc

On the flip side visual reality has a habit of puncturing the pretence