Assigned Female at Birth - AFAB

[ShugarTits]

AIBU to get the actual rage every time I see this written down? Often in reputable sources.

Obviously this has come about due to people differentiating between gender and sex - I understand needing clarity between those two when talking to or questioning people.

but every single bloody time I read it I can only think of the horrific female infanticide statistics. AIBU to think ‘assigned female at birth’ is fucking offensive to women, as so many of us are killed at birth ONLY because we are female. Nobody assigned those infants a female sex, they didn’t just randomly pick half of the babies and murder them.

can’t we agree as a society to call out AFAB and AMAB as being horrific and change it? Happy to hear alternatives. Observed female/male at birth sounds reasonable to me if you need to specify birth sex vs gender.

You people genuinely don't see trans women as human beings

This is such nonsense. I’ve never seen anyone here say they didn’t see trans women as human beings.

'I would always delete this and replace it with male or female'.

You justice warrior you.

I understand it refers to 'maleness' or 'femaleness' in a cultural, social and/or psychological sense

But what does this mean? What is maleness or femaleness?

What if someone prefers to include all kinds of presentation in their sex class?

They are still treating everyone as a person just not adhering to gender approach that sex can change

Of course trans women are human. What they are not is female. I don't see much sympathy for any of the women harmed or displaced by trans women in women's single sex spaces.

Don't they exist to you?

What about them @izimbra, doesn't the fact that women have been harmed by males (some of them who identify as transwomen) in what should be single sex spaces matter to you? Don't you see women as fully human and deserving of rights independently of all males?

So someone who doesn't wear make up, high heels, dresses, skirts etc isn't female?

Do you identify as a trans man? No? Then you're a cis gender woman.

It's not hard.

Should transwomen compete in sports alongside biological women @izimbra, with all the physiological differences/advantages they posses having been born male? Like Lia Thomas?

I’m a woman.

I don't recognise cis, I and a lot of others
find it offensive. How come TRA's keep using it, but insist that we have to use pronouns of their choosing. Why does it only go one way? Why am I being compelled to use speech I don't agree with but trans and TRA's can use cis?

And what about the children and vulnerable adults being harmed @izimbra? Have you seen that there is increasing solid evidence that the pathways children being put on in the name of 'gender' is harming them.

I have an autistic daughter who was almost lured down this path. So don't lecture women on trans ideology and ask us if we know any trans people.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1764799914918490287.html

I don't identify as anything.

I am just a woman.

And don't you call me cis. I am not a subset of my own sex class.

It's not hard

It seems to be a bit hard. You've not answered the majority of the most basic things put to you. You've just resorted to insults.

In addition and please take note.

For you or anyone else to call me a ‘cis gender woman’ is an extremely hurtful and invalidating experience. It is an intentional refusal to use my correct description. Which as I said previously, is ‘woman’.

Please respect my wishes.

I saw a green wheelie bin today, and somebody had stuck an A4 paper to the side of it and written “black bin” on it. To the casual observer the bin was quite clearly green. It was a “scientifically” green bin.

But the label stuck to it, which stated it identified as a black bin was intended to make it clear to the waste collectors that despite appearances, the bin was filled with regular household rubbish and not garden waste.

That plucky little green bin wanted to fulfil the role of a black bin, and be treated the same as a black bin and not be ignored or even penalised for externally appearing green.

And while not technically a black bin, it used that semantic label to help others understand how it fits into society.

A little story about bins there.

'Legal sex' (or identified 'gender' ) rather than actual sex being used in medical records has already harmed - including being implicated in deaths - of some transgender patients.

well are we expected to accept that story about a load of trash to justify the loss of single sex spaces in favour of men with 'gender identities' in women's spaces?

At least the green bin was serving a useful function (getting rid of the trash)?

How is society/ are women helped by accepting that men who claim to have woman gender as women?

Answers on a post card please. There are zero benefits to women. Only harms that we are supposed to ignore. Cos reasons.

That shite analogy needs to get in the bin 🤣

If that green bin (it'll never be black no matter what is stuck on it) starts impacting negatively and causing problems and compromising the safety for all the other bins then it would become a problem. But you haven't thought further than that have you with this rubbish (pun intended) story.

Exactly @lifeturnsonadime how does it benefit women to give up their single sex places and places to men?

It's a bit clearer of you stick to the clear, distinct words and meanings we used to have which I laid out upthread. 'Masculine' and 'feminine'.

A woman (adult human female) may have various traits which in our culture might be described as 'feminine' and others deemed 'masculine' - though these are culturally variable in different places and times. Similarly with men. 'Gender' isn't a simple one dimensional thing.

"I saw a green wheelie bin today, and somebody had stuck an A4 paper to the side of it and written “black bin” on it."

I know, let's compare trans people to dustbins to make a point.

And let's also object loudly to the suggestion that we dehumanise trans people.

That odd anecdote seemed to be supporting the 'genderist' position not the feminist one.
Rubbish for sure, anyway.

Are you referring to women sharing women's spaces with the 49.8% of the population that's cisgender men, or to the 0.2% (ish) of the population that's trans women? Because obviously the first would have a significant impact, whereas the second would have almost no impact at all, in fact would likely go unnoticed if transphobes weren't obsessing about it all the time.

Anyway, back to the thread.
Hopefully it's now clear that sex is observed at (or before birth).

The other point is perhaps that unfortunately what does tend to get 'assigned' at birth is a 'gender'. Girls and boys are still not treated the same, they're still put into the stupid boxes of 'girls can't be ....(footballers, builders, whatever) 'boys don't (cry, wear pink, play with dolls, whatever).

Sex simply is what it is, a reality. 'Gendering' is unnecessary and harmful. It's particularly harmful to gender nonconforming individuals. You should be free to be as 'masculine' or 'feminine' (or whatever mix ) you want.