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To confront family tension due to how I feed my baby?

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Chunkychips23 · 03/03/2024 09:21

I’ve always had a great relationship with my MIL. I adored her and we’d regularly spend time together up until my pregnancy became high risk. I spent most of the 3rd trimester in hospital for monitoring due to complications and the need to be ready to deliver my baby at a moments notice.

On one of the days I was allowed home for the day, she popped over to visit. She asked me out of the blue how I was planning to feed my baby. I answered I was going to try breastfeeding but wouldn’t beat myself up if I didn’t like it/couldnt do it. She went off on one, which was so out of character. She said that I’d be selfish to breastfeed as nobody else would be able to feed baby, I’d get no support, young women do it just for attention, it starves babies, she formula fed all of her children and they were fine, none of her other grandkids were BF and they turned out ok so why do I need to be so special - she tried to BF and it didn’t work out, so she knows it’s best to formula feed. I was so confused that I’d said something wrong, I even went back and re-watched the conversation on our indoor security camera to see if I’d said something particularly triggering. I honestly don’t care how people feed or have fed their babies. You do what works/worked best for you and your baby. Fed is best! Formula fed babies are just as happy and healthy as BF babies. I really don’t see what the big deal is!

Fast forward to baby’s arrival. We’d asked for no visitors in the hospital as we didn’t know how I’d be after surgery. I did have a massive haemorrhage so was quite unwell, but MIL turned up to hospital anyway. I felt obliged to allow her in, but I was in a rough way. As soon as she arrived, she picked up the baby and commented on how he was so small, I’d need to formula feed him to make sure he didn’t starve, but I was ‘one of them’ so wouldn’t. (Baby was born purposely prematurely to save both of our lives, so was tiny) I was a bit taken aback, but didn’t say anything. My DH said that we’d need to keep the visit short as he wanted to ensure I got rest and time to bond with our baby. MIL said I was welcome to go back to bed as she was just there to visit baby anyway.

I put all that aside and tried to keep our relationship as normal as possible. I’d send her regular pictures and baby updates. As she lives close by, she’d pop over regularly and unannounced, expecting to be hosted. 3 days postpartum she walked in, took baby out of my arms and told me to put the kettle on and dig out the biscuits (DH had nipped to the supermarket - I could barely walk!) Every single time, I was met with negative comments. Baby become jaundiced and that was my fault as I was starving him. If only I put my own selfish desires to breastfeed on the back burner, I’d have a healthy baby. I was still very weak post delivery so really didn’t have the energy to say anything back. As baby wasn’t sleeping through the night (what brand new newborn does?!) she said I’d be begging her to help by the end of the week and she’d be happy to help me with formula feeding. On top of this, she bombarded my DH with messages about it saying she was concerned I wasn’t thinking of my child and just wanted to show off (I never BF in front on anyone but my DH or own DM)

I then started to get messages from my DH’s family trying to discourage me from BF. MIL was making out to the family that I was struggling to BF and being pressured into continuing (I really wasn’t, it was just the option that was working best for me and baby) It was so bizarre and stressful. DH stepped in and asked him family to back off.

A week after we were home, she brought round her extended family who I’d never met to meet the baby. It was so awkward as she sat there instructing me and DH to make drinks and get them food, whilst she showed off baby and how tiny and underfed etc. Her relatives were so uncomfortable. DH asked MIL to wash her hands before holding baby and she said ‘well I thought breastfeeding was superior and gave superhuman abilities against germs’

Over Christmas, she had a large family gathering and my DH and I made the decision it was best for baby to not to go, due to being a few weeks old and MIL’s hostility towards BF. I’d have been very uncomfortable trying to feed baby in her home and I wasn’t able to pump much at that stage to have enough for a few bottle feeds. I was made out to be horrible and blocking her family from seeing baby and DH should have just taken baby and gone via the shop to get formula and there would have been no issue. Baby was premature and vulnerable. Even if I wasn’t BF, we’d have made the same decision to keep baby away from large gatherings. I was mocked at that gathering, leaving my DH and SD feeling really uncomfortable and upset.

Months later she is still obsessed. Constantly asking about babies weight and comparing my DC to her formula fed ones. I pump so DH can give baby a bottle every now and then and the one time he did that in front of her, she got her phone out and started filming, then sat there sending it off to whoever, laughing. She tried to get my SD onside by saying ‘doesn’t it bother you that you can’t feed your baby sibling’ - SD was confused and said ‘no, why would it’ Ugh, it was just so uncomfortable!

I’ve just had enough of the comments. From accusations of starving my baby to trying to shame me in front of her family. Everything from ‘he wants a bottle, look, he’s begging for it’ to ‘you’re a smelly baby, mummy obviously doesn’t eat properly as BF baby poo isn’t supposed to smell’ and ‘you can stop doing it now. There is no benefits to BF past two weeks, now it’s just for attention’

I feel like I need to have a conversation with her about this, as I’m so tired of just having to ignore her and not respond, so I don’t risk upsetting her. I’ve had months of relentless digs and comments. My baby is happy, healthy and meeting milestones.

I do want to get my relationship back with MIL, which is why I’ve not retaliated or responded. She’s has access to baby whenever she’s wanted and I’ve not stopped her forming a bond with him. But for my sanity, I feel like I need to sit down with her and talk this through. DH says he’s handling it, but as it’s continued, i don’t think he is.

Would I be unreasonable to arrange a face to face with MIL and confront her?

OP posts:
Lauren0000 · 05/03/2024 20:41

MIL: Blah blah blah
YOU: "I'm not interested in what you think"
MIL: blah blah blah
YOU: "I'm Not interested"
over and over and over and over and over.

Tbf I'd have told her to fuck off the first time she said it. My mother had a shit time with her inlaws bossing her around and so I just wasn't having it. I'm always kind and fair to my MIL, as a mother of a boy I try to keep her included, but when she has started bstshit stuff I've nipped it hard in the bud.

Icannoteven · 05/03/2024 20:44

OI only read half of your message OP. I only needed to. Your MIL sounds EXACTLY like my mother. I would begin to put in very sharp boundaries and distance myself. Read about the grey rock method.

Altah · 05/03/2024 23:17

I have now accepted that sometimes the whole dynamic gets shattered with the arrival of a baby.

First of all - you need to stand firm and follow your gut. BF and do what you feel is right.

I've had some of my own completely bonkers experiences with family that I thought were close. I think the sudden realisation that the world doesn't revolve around some grandparents turns them psycho.

Foxyaus · 06/03/2024 05:28

The next time she makes a comment, slam your hand on the table and shout ENOUGH! right in her face. Then say absolutely nothing, so the message sinks in.
She'll probably storm out but that's on her.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 06/03/2024 21:10

I understand your need to have your say, but please don't. You'll only become a supply for her narcissism, and that never ends well; you will only become more angry and frustrated.

The only way with people like this is to cut contact altogether. Sadly I have one as a parent, and it took 50 years, but I no longer have a guilt complex about every thought or action.

Free yourself. 💐

Overthebs · 07/03/2024 13:17

Honestly these MIL and sometimes mothers with their amazing advice.. my mother was pestering me to start solids from like 4 months and I said no nhs guidance (and just general feeling) told me 6 months of just milk, then our baby got to 6 months and it was like WHEN IS HE STARTING SOLIDS THEN?! We tried and I even lost my mind for a few days and basically force fed him porridge.. which lead to him hating any foods and not taking enough milk .. and therefore stopped sleeping.
So we’ve gone back to mostly milk and just trying him with bits here and there which he can feed himself.
Anyway the point of me posting is what they think and say is totally irrelevant and you can tell them that to their face.. and I’ve had to do it with MIL and my own mother- they may not like it cos it’s not their advice but guess what it’s your baby and their comments can’t and shouldn’t impact on your approach to your baby or your mood. If they don’t like it— the metaphorical and physical door is that way > 💁🏼‍♀️

Chunkychips23 · 08/03/2024 15:19

Update:

She wanted DH to bring the baby to visit her (I’m unable & unwilling to go) and I’ve said no. I’ve laid out to him exactly why she won’t be spending time with my child when I’m not there.

DH said she didn’t mean it and I may have been over sensitive during that time. He also thinks she’s showing signs of dementia which is why she behaved the way she did. I said I don’t care, she’s not stopped and he didn’t stick up for me. I understand why, but don’t expect me to just hand my child across. If you can’t respect me as the mother, then you don’t get free access to my baby, especially when I can’t trust you. He was coming up with reasons why it would be good for me to spend some time apart from my baby. Honestly, it sounds like his Mum gave him some lines ‘it’s not good for you to not have a break’ and ‘baby is old enough to be apart from you now’ (12wks old) and ‘just pump so I can take a bottle with me’

We’re not talking currently, as he just goes silent and won’t discuss. He’s Captain Avoidance when it comes to his family. I’m not going confront her or go on about it. I’ve made my point and made it clear she’s not going to be spending any time with my baby alone at all. DH can do with that what he wants.

OP posts:
boqq · 08/03/2024 15:41

Chunkychips23 · 08/03/2024 15:19

Update:

She wanted DH to bring the baby to visit her (I’m unable & unwilling to go) and I’ve said no. I’ve laid out to him exactly why she won’t be spending time with my child when I’m not there.

DH said she didn’t mean it and I may have been over sensitive during that time. He also thinks she’s showing signs of dementia which is why she behaved the way she did. I said I don’t care, she’s not stopped and he didn’t stick up for me. I understand why, but don’t expect me to just hand my child across. If you can’t respect me as the mother, then you don’t get free access to my baby, especially when I can’t trust you. He was coming up with reasons why it would be good for me to spend some time apart from my baby. Honestly, it sounds like his Mum gave him some lines ‘it’s not good for you to not have a break’ and ‘baby is old enough to be apart from you now’ (12wks old) and ‘just pump so I can take a bottle with me’

We’re not talking currently, as he just goes silent and won’t discuss. He’s Captain Avoidance when it comes to his family. I’m not going confront her or go on about it. I’ve made my point and made it clear she’s not going to be spending any time with my baby alone at all. DH can do with that what he wants.

Well done! I wouldn’t put it past her to feed your baby formula as soon as you’re out of the way! I wouldn’t trust your husband either at this point as he seems easily manipulated by his mum…

Whereshallwelivee · 08/03/2024 15:43

Chunkychips23 · 08/03/2024 15:19

Update:

She wanted DH to bring the baby to visit her (I’m unable & unwilling to go) and I’ve said no. I’ve laid out to him exactly why she won’t be spending time with my child when I’m not there.

DH said she didn’t mean it and I may have been over sensitive during that time. He also thinks she’s showing signs of dementia which is why she behaved the way she did. I said I don’t care, she’s not stopped and he didn’t stick up for me. I understand why, but don’t expect me to just hand my child across. If you can’t respect me as the mother, then you don’t get free access to my baby, especially when I can’t trust you. He was coming up with reasons why it would be good for me to spend some time apart from my baby. Honestly, it sounds like his Mum gave him some lines ‘it’s not good for you to not have a break’ and ‘baby is old enough to be apart from you now’ (12wks old) and ‘just pump so I can take a bottle with me’

We’re not talking currently, as he just goes silent and won’t discuss. He’s Captain Avoidance when it comes to his family. I’m not going confront her or go on about it. I’ve made my point and made it clear she’s not going to be spending any time with my baby alone at all. DH can do with that what he wants.

He sounds like my husband.

I read an article once that I wish I’d kept about when someone goes non contact with in laws but the children still see them.

Along the lines of: They don’t want to see you anyway. They won’t cry because you aren’t there. It’s not some sort of punishment for them. They are happier if you stay away. By just allowing the other parent, who they do like to take the children, you are just rewarding their shitty behaviour. You not being there was the aim.

BlueFlint · 08/03/2024 15:55

Bloody well done you! Baby is still tiny and needs you, brilliant that you've stood up for yourself and your child.

Gcsunnyside23 · 08/03/2024 15:55

Great update OP, glad you held strong. Tell your husband you'll review visiting when he has a full and proper discussion do you never have to visit again as captain avoider won't dare lol

ElbiTut · 08/03/2024 16:58

Chunkychips23 · 08/03/2024 15:19

Update:

She wanted DH to bring the baby to visit her (I’m unable & unwilling to go) and I’ve said no. I’ve laid out to him exactly why she won’t be spending time with my child when I’m not there.

DH said she didn’t mean it and I may have been over sensitive during that time. He also thinks she’s showing signs of dementia which is why she behaved the way she did. I said I don’t care, she’s not stopped and he didn’t stick up for me. I understand why, but don’t expect me to just hand my child across. If you can’t respect me as the mother, then you don’t get free access to my baby, especially when I can’t trust you. He was coming up with reasons why it would be good for me to spend some time apart from my baby. Honestly, it sounds like his Mum gave him some lines ‘it’s not good for you to not have a break’ and ‘baby is old enough to be apart from you now’ (12wks old) and ‘just pump so I can take a bottle with me’

We’re not talking currently, as he just goes silent and won’t discuss. He’s Captain Avoidance when it comes to his family. I’m not going confront her or go on about it. I’ve made my point and made it clear she’s not going to be spending any time with my baby alone at all. DH can do with that what he wants.

Great that you stood your ground.
However I think there is some law about letting grandparents see the child. I am no expert but I believe and hope it is only with your supervision.
Maybe I am wrong and you have right to refuse on a ground ow bring worried for the child's wellbeing.
Besides a very realistic possibility she would give your child formula without your consent, why not use what your husband said about her having dementia - I mean she could forget that baby is with her and for example leave the baby in another room and forget. Horrible things can happen
I know this is a low blow considering she is probably not demented, but if he can lie to justify her - you might as well jump on that train. He said it first.

Wheresthescissors · 08/03/2024 17:12

That's scaremongering @ElbiTut and would not apply to a well looked after 12 week old baby

Chunkychips23 · 08/03/2024 17:13

ElbiTut · 08/03/2024 16:58

Great that you stood your ground.
However I think there is some law about letting grandparents see the child. I am no expert but I believe and hope it is only with your supervision.
Maybe I am wrong and you have right to refuse on a ground ow bring worried for the child's wellbeing.
Besides a very realistic possibility she would give your child formula without your consent, why not use what your husband said about her having dementia - I mean she could forget that baby is with her and for example leave the baby in another room and forget. Horrible things can happen
I know this is a low blow considering she is probably not demented, but if he can lie to justify her - you might as well jump on that train. He said it first.

She can see my child whilst I’m present. I just don’t trust her to be alone and engineering situations to get that alone time. I can just foresee her giving my baby formula due to some made up reason. My DH would let her too, as he seems unable to stand up to her

Shes been a fantastic grandmother to the dozen other grandkids, that I’m not disputing. She’s just been/being a shitty MIL - I’m not going to prevent her having a relationship with my kid, but she doesn’t need one on one time whilst they’re babies to develop that.

OP posts:
SomeCatFromJapan · 08/03/2024 17:22

However I think there is some law about letting grandparents see the child. I am no expert but I believe and hope it is only with your supervision.

There isn't any such law - @Chunkychips23 to set your mind at rest on that front.

Scaffoldingisugly · 08/03/2024 17:26

Grandparents have no rights in the UK...
None.
Zilch.
Zero.
And your bloke needs a kick in the balls to bring him back to the real world where he supports you not his mummy...

ElbiTut · 08/03/2024 17:35

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/03/2024 17:22

However I think there is some law about letting grandparents see the child. I am no expert but I believe and hope it is only with your supervision.

There isn't any such law - @Chunkychips23 to set your mind at rest on that front.

Ok, apologies then for wrong info, I may have read something around those lines in a differential context.

ElbiTut · 08/03/2024 17:35

*different

ElbiTut · 08/03/2024 17:39

Chunkychips23 · 08/03/2024 17:13

She can see my child whilst I’m present. I just don’t trust her to be alone and engineering situations to get that alone time. I can just foresee her giving my baby formula due to some made up reason. My DH would let her too, as he seems unable to stand up to her

Shes been a fantastic grandmother to the dozen other grandkids, that I’m not disputing. She’s just been/being a shitty MIL - I’m not going to prevent her having a relationship with my kid, but she doesn’t need one on one time whilst they’re babies to develop that.

You are really more than fair to her. How do you manage to remain so composed and rational - hats off.
Honestly I would have zero understanding if someone was behaving so unfair (to say at least) and disruptive like she is.

PoshHorseyBird · 08/03/2024 18:04

Why do you want a relationship with her? She sounds like an absolute witch!
Personally I'd just tell her "Right! I've had enough! For months I've put up with your nasty comments, now it stops! Carry on and you won't be seeing your grandchild." The tell your husband he either grows a spine and sorts his mother out or he can go and move back in with her. Your foot needs to be firmly put down!

WannabeMum22 · 08/03/2024 21:36

ElbiTut · 08/03/2024 16:58

Great that you stood your ground.
However I think there is some law about letting grandparents see the child. I am no expert but I believe and hope it is only with your supervision.
Maybe I am wrong and you have right to refuse on a ground ow bring worried for the child's wellbeing.
Besides a very realistic possibility she would give your child formula without your consent, why not use what your husband said about her having dementia - I mean she could forget that baby is with her and for example leave the baby in another room and forget. Horrible things can happen
I know this is a low blow considering she is probably not demented, but if he can lie to justify her - you might as well jump on that train. He said it first.

There is no law about letting grandparents see grandchildren. They have zero legal rights as they shouldn’t do. OP is free to have as low contact as she chooses.

Codlingmoths · 08/03/2024 21:40

You sound confident and a great mum op.

ElbiTut · 08/03/2024 21:41

WannabeMum22 · 08/03/2024 21:36

There is no law about letting grandparents see grandchildren. They have zero legal rights as they shouldn’t do. OP is free to have as low contact as she chooses.

Yes I know now, a couple of people here already pointed it out. No need to repeat :) My bad.
And great tbh - such rule would make no sense, I must have got it out of context somewhere else...

T1Dmama · 08/03/2024 22:32

ElbiTut · 08/03/2024 16:58

Great that you stood your ground.
However I think there is some law about letting grandparents see the child. I am no expert but I believe and hope it is only with your supervision.
Maybe I am wrong and you have right to refuse on a ground ow bring worried for the child's wellbeing.
Besides a very realistic possibility she would give your child formula without your consent, why not use what your husband said about her having dementia - I mean she could forget that baby is with her and for example leave the baby in another room and forget. Horrible things can happen
I know this is a low blow considering she is probably not demented, but if he can lie to justify her - you might as well jump on that train. He said it first.

Legally grandparents have no right what so ever over their grandchildren.
I worked with women in refuge and supported them in court with abusive ex’s and grandparents making threats to get custody and judge stated grandparents have no legal rights at all.

ElbiTut · 08/03/2024 22:33

I guess noone reads the replies, sigh...😅