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Sisters annoying habit making meeting unbearable

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FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 04:17

My sister and I are in our 30s, live in the same city and see each other every 2-3 weeks. We get along so well and always have. But she has an annoying habit that is so unbearable I feel I can't spend time with her anymore.

She hasn't been diagnosed or sought medical help for anxiety or any other physical or mental illness, but like most of us she has some level of anxiety and has some body focused repetitive behaviours. Since been a teen she has had a habit of pulling out individual strands of head hair and closely examining them. That's pretty annoying but it's bearable.

But the last few years she has a habit of pulling out individual strands, and poking them in between her teeth or using them to floss her teeth. She does this right in front of me, during lunch, while we are chatting, whatever we are doing. I find it so disgusting to watch I can't bear it. I try to ignore it but it goes on continuously. I've asked her to stop but she just gets angry and says look away if you don't like it. I've tried that but for example if it's at the dinner table, I can still see her doing it out if the corner of my eye.

I suppose it's not hurting me but I find it disgusting, and also disrespectful that she doesn't care enough about me to not do it in front of me. She wouldn't do it in front of her friends or at work, so I know she can stop. Why not wait until she gets home, or worst case go to the bathroom for a few minutes and do it.

Am I over reacting? I haven't told her this and I try to keep a blank but I hate it so so much and feel rage when I even think about it. I don't want to spend time with her anymore. It's such a shame though because we get on so well.

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Koo47 · 03/03/2024 04:30

That sounds awful for both of you. It must be painful for her to be engaging in such behaviour and painful for you to observe.

I would find this excruciating to watch but I know people that wouldn’t be phased by it so who is to say who is overreacting?

I would gently try telling her that it is very difficult for you to watch and that it leaves you feeling unsettled (or whatever language you would use). Maybe have a discussion about how to work together to let her know how difficult it is for you to observe and if she is aware of the behaviour and whether or not she would either mind if you left while she did that or if you brought to her attention that she was doing it in front of you was she be willing/able to stop.

pikkumyy77 · 03/03/2024 04:36

Pulling out hair is called trichitillomania and is related to skin picking and excoriation as anxiety disorders. I had a friend with it and she requested i remind her to stop doing it as she was trying to break the habit.

Happyinarcon · 03/03/2024 04:36

I have never seen or heard of anyone ever doing this before. I would bring her a magnifying glass to examine the hairs more closely and then give her some dental floss to use instead

LindorDoubleChoc · 03/03/2024 04:41

If you've asked her nicely to stop doing it and she won't - then yes, I guess you do have to stop seeing her. What other solution is there? You can still be close by talking on the phone.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 03/03/2024 04:41

I do this sometimes. She honestly can't help it and that's why she's getting defensive.

Why not call each other more rather than meet up?

FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 04:45

I'm sympathetic in a way. I have a few of these behaviours as well, I sometimes pick my lip or my nails but the difference is I wouldn't do it in public, and if I accidentally did it and realised I would stop immediately.

I don't feel there is any point talking to her about it because she's very sensitive about it and would just get angry. As I said in the op, when I've asked her to stop before she just snarls "don't look then!". She doesn't see it as a problem and just thinks I can just put up with it. I've asked my parents if we could approach her a family to request she at least try to not do it during family gatherings. But they don't want to upset her so they just won't.

I know it seems like the solution is just ignore it then. But I can't! Its horrible! And over time, I'm becoming more sensitive to it. I used to be able to ignore it for at least 30 minutes before I got angry but now as soon as I see her reaching her hand up there the rage fills me (but I don't say anything).

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FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 04:47

She honestly can't help it and that's why she's getting defensive.

She can stop at work and with friends though. Why aren't I respected that much? I'm not asking her to completely stop. She could just do it at home, she could go outside or in to another room, or even do it for a few minutes at most.

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FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 04:49

Why not call each other more rather than meet up?

I suppose this is the solution. Since we both aren't big phone people and we live in the same city, it seems such a shame. Plus its also ruining family gatherings with our parents and other siblings.

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PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 03/03/2024 04:50

If she can stop at work and with friends but won’t with you, maybe try seeing her less, do an activity or do zoom calls instead of being at a table … but I would gently say to her I find it gross at a table to do that so let’s go for a walk or to a museum instead

The examine hair is one thing using it to floss at a table is gross!🤮

FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 04:54

PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 03/03/2024 04:50

If she can stop at work and with friends but won’t with you, maybe try seeing her less, do an activity or do zoom calls instead of being at a table … but I would gently say to her I find it gross at a table to do that so let’s go for a walk or to a museum instead

The examine hair is one thing using it to floss at a table is gross!🤮

I know! The plucking and examining thing I don't like but I can put up with it. If she could even just stick to doing that, it would be a compromise I would accept.

Doing activities that use both hands is a great idea, I will think of trying to organise that. I suppose we do spend much of our time together (still not that much - 3 hours every 2-3 weeks) at the table because we usually visit with our parents. They are older and aren't really up to walks and museums, plus there's grand kids over etc.

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Utterlyexhausted · 03/03/2024 04:56

I've know 2 people who do this and they honestly cannot help it. As a previous poster said, it's a condition called trichotillomania. Both also pulled their eyelashes out. Both went on anti depressants to treat it and it's worked but they both returned to the behavior when they stopped treatment. Neither person knew the other so it wasn't a learned behaviour iykwim.

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/trichotillomania/symptoms-causes/syc-20355188

FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 05:01

I know about the condition and I am sympathetic but I disagree that she "can't help it". With friends and her colleagues (who I guess she respects), she doesn't do it. I'd be fine with her doing it at her home or all day in the hundreds of hours a week I'm not there. I'd also be fine with her doing it but trying to modify the behaviour so its less gross, like cutting back to just plucking the hair and examining it. And I'd even feel better if she was trying treatment, or trying to stop. But she isn't.

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FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 05:03

If a family member was addicted to smoking for example, I wouldn't judge them and I wouldn't say its their fault and I know they can't help but smoke. But I still wouldn't say they could do it at the family dinner table. They would have to go outside.

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herewegoroundthebastardbush · 03/03/2024 05:04

FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 04:49

Why not call each other more rather than meet up?

I suppose this is the solution. Since we both aren't big phone people and we live in the same city, it seems such a shame. Plus its also ruining family gatherings with our parents and other siblings.

So she does do it in front of the rest of your family? How do the rest of them feel about it?

I'm afraid the answer to your question is the same as many less desirable traits people hold in in public that come out at home/to our loved ones - she feels safe and comfortable around you. That's probably why she reacts badly when you bring it up too - she's relaxed and having a good time then you remind her of something about herself she doesn't like/has to hide and it makes her upset/defensive - she probably has limited awareness she's doing it before she clocks your disgust/you mention it, it's an almost subconscious slightly hypnotising behaviour (for me at least).

The fact you have these selfsoothing habits too (but more under your conscious control) suggests to me you maybe both shared a difficult childhood which has resulted in some underlying anxiety/mental health issues. Are you the elder sister by any chance? You may therefore be able to control it more as you still feel you have to be "on" more than she does, even with your younger (more dependent on you?) sister? So the same self onsciousness is there as say at work. Just theorising here of course.

As you say you're sympathetic in that you understand how the behaviour starts unconsciously - so maybe try to expand your empathy and understand she has it less under control than you/wants not to have to self-monitor all the time when with someone she loves and feels safe with. Anxiety and depression can be so consuming and hard to fight all day every day; if this is the worst thing she does Nd is otherwise a kind, calm,stable person to her family and friends, is it really the hill to die on?

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 03/03/2024 05:05

Certainly it won't be doing either of you or your relationship any good to keep clashing over this though, so if you really can't bear it just avoid her in person and maintain your relationship by messenger/WhatsApp/phone.

Utterlyexhausted · 03/03/2024 05:06

It doesn't sound like your sympathetic at all!

She's clearly stressing out about things in her life and possibly also suffering from ocd.

Do you honestly think she LIKES to do that and suffer with potential bald patches and judgemental opinions like yours? Check yourself.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 03/03/2024 05:07

FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 05:03

If a family member was addicted to smoking for example, I wouldn't judge them and I wouldn't say its their fault and I know they can't help but smoke. But I still wouldn't say they could do it at the family dinner table. They would have to go outside.

Smoking isn't an unconscious action though. A fairer comparison would be if they get jittery/tap their foot/fiddle with their fag packet when trying not to smoke. It's a self soothing, mostly unconscious action to cope with anxiety.

FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 05:10

The rest of the family is annoyed by it but not as much as me.

We had a good normal childhood, but like literally everyone we both feel anxious at times. I am the eldest. I believe in relaxing in front of family, but suppose everyone has to be on at least a little, its a respect thing.

is it really the hill to die on?

I suppose I'd flip that around to her. Isn't it worth at least trying to cut back for a few hours a fortnight to make your own sister comfortable? Why has she chosen this hill to die on?

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Utterlyexhausted · 03/03/2024 05:12

Bloody hell I'm so glad you're not my sister..

FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 05:15

A fairer comparison would be if they get jittery/tap their foot/fiddle with their fag packet when trying not to smoke. It's a self soothing, mostly unconscious action to cope with anxiety.

Except that's no comparison because tapping a foot or fiddling with a packet is nothing. Its not really annoying and isn't gross. A more accurate comparison would be an adult picking their nose, examining the contents and smearing it on their teeth, all at the family table during dinner.

Maybe its unconscious, but then it would be one thing if she did it unconsciously and stopped when I brought it her to attention. I wouldn't tell her off but just say quietly or maybe give a sign. But she doesn't and isn't sorry at all.

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FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 05:16

She's clearly stressing out about things in her life

We all are.

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FruitFlyPie · 03/03/2024 05:17

maintain your relationship by messenger/WhatsApp/phone

I guess its the only solution. Feels really sad though.

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Utterlyexhausted · 03/03/2024 05:18

Clearly your just better at dealing with your stress then?

Koo47 · 03/03/2024 05:18

If I couldn’t cope with it then I’d set a boundary (a boundary being something that I do, not an expectation on someone else’s behaviour) so I would just leave or shut my eyes when she did it. Turn my head, leave the room, don’t meet up, whatever I decided was acceptable for me.

If she won’t quit then you can only change your behaviour around her doing it - either expand your window of tolerance toward the behaviour (practice deep breathing when she does it, whatever works for you to manage the grossness of it) or shut it out by getting away from it.

Utterlyexhausted · 03/03/2024 05:18

I don't see any compassion from you to her at all!

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