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To want my husband to say something about MIL's comments

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danialan · 28/02/2024 14:16

DH is the youngest child of a very wealthy family, he has an older brother who isn’t as close to their mum as DH is, I suspect I know the reasons (see post below) but have no confirmation.

MIL will constantly make comments to us suggesting that if any decision is made that she disagrees with, it’s a stupid decision and only made by us because we’re young (I’m late 20s, DH mid-30s), inexperienced and probably not as smart as her (no one is!).
Example 1 - we went to Young V&A with our DDs and when MIL called early afternoon as we were on our way back in the car, we told her what we had been up to. MIL’s response was “you kept them indoors for half the day?!”, DH responds that actually the girls loved it, it was super interactive, we’ll send some pics when we get home. She goes “right, um, are you at least planning to take them to the park later today? They need fresh air! How sad for them to be in a stuffy museum”
Example 2 - we were planning to name after my grandma who died during my pregnancy, her name was Arina, and yes I’m from abroad. MIL wouldn’t stop with comments like “at least give it as a middle name… with Wembley as a first name hahaha” (for those from outside UK, Wembley Arena is a massive stadium). And “well she won’t thank you when she’s being bullied” or “and Pitch if he’s a boy, yeah?”
Example 3 - one of my daughters was climbing down from the sofa, she’s done this before successfully many times and I don’t think it’s great parenting to run up to your child any time they’re learning / practicing something and “helping” - they’ll never get the chance to learn or develop muscles! The whole time MIL kept saying “I don’t want to see this” “she’ll fall - do you not care?”
There’s more examples to give if needed but don’t want to make the initial post super long, I know it already will be!

DH doesn’t pressure me to do everything she comments on (although our daughter isn’t called Arina) but I can see that the comments make him upset or uncomfortable, I don’t know which. And in front of her he feels like he has to just do as she says, never stands up to her. For example in the sofa example he will lift her down instead of saying “it’s okay mum, she’s safe, she’s learning, it’s a low sofa and it’s stood on a carpet”, whereas at home he’d let her do it. Suddenly after the museum example he volunteered to take them both to the playground.

On the face of it, MIL loves her son (DH) and just wants what’s best for him, loves our 2 DDs and she wants what’s best for them too. She wants to see them lots and she just also has so much life experience that she can’t wait to share with us, all because, in case it’s not been mentioned, she wants what’s best for us. That’s DH’s interpretation and MIL’s reasoning if questioned about the comments or her overinvolvement.

To avoid a drip feed: she does financially help in the sense that she gifted DH a house in which we currently live and often gives nice “gifts” like a car, baby equipment, nice baby clothes etc and invites us on luxurious holidays (which I actually hate because it’s 24/7 comments on every decision we make and how it’s wrong). However the financial support allows me not to work and be a SAHM which I’m of course grateful for and perhaps should keep my mouth shut?

OP posts:
Starspangledrodeopony · 28/02/2024 17:32

Wait, does he work @danialan?

Allfur · 28/02/2024 17:34

FortunataTagnips · 28/02/2024 16:05

LOL. Classic Mumsnet.

Lol, London has a great public transport system.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 28/02/2024 17:36

Yes but YOU don't have to go on these holidays, OP, I wouldn't if they made me as miserable as they make you.

Yes, your husband will never stop accepting gifts, he's a mummy's boy with his hand out. What are you? An independent woman or just as grasping and willing to take anything as long as you get 'paid' for it?

I completely agree with the posters who recommend financial independence for you, there's nothing like it. Be independent, get yourself a job and you need not listen to these comments. Let your milksop husband field them all. You have your own property, with a job you could be really teaching your children the value of financial independence and that is priceless.

Nanny0gg · 28/02/2024 17:38

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:34

@MrsTerryPratchett thing is, if her suggestions were benign I wouldn't have an issue with them.

A trip to the park is lovely but so is taking my daughters to a museum if they're enjoying it. One isn't better than the other.

My grandmas name is my grandmas name. To me it's one of my favourite names because I associate it with one of my favourite people in the world.

Your husband will always put his mother and the money first and second. If he puts your children next, that leaves you fourth,

You happy with that?

ohdamnitjanet · 28/02/2024 17:38

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:25

@MrsTerryPratchett I know that even if I get a job, the gifts won't stop so she will still be bribing DH. Ie he will still be getting expensive cars as gifts, the comments will continue. I know this because it was this way before we had kids and whilst I worked

But you will have your own money to save seeing as you don’t own any property.

Nanny0gg · 28/02/2024 17:40

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:43

@Haydenn yeah I go on the holidays but because my DH wants to. He knows I don't enjoy them. Why would I enjoy being told every day that I'm making my daughters miss hours of sunshine because we woke up at 8 and didn't get to the beach till 9 (compared to my perfect MIL who's been on the beach since 7:30)? Why would i enjoy being told that my daughters shouldn't be wearing any swimsuit rather than wear the UPF 50+ I've put them in, which will inevitably cause skin irritation (it never has...)? Why would I enjoy her telling my husband to sit in a separate part from me all day (there's a kids bit and no-kids bit of the beach) so that he "can have a peaceful holiday" whilst I manage a toddler and a baby all day?

Let them take the kids

He can't sit in the adults only bit then, can he?

You are more in control of this than you think

Howmanycatsistoomany · 28/02/2024 17:46

For starters, get yourself back in the workplace. Pay your own way and stop expecting your MIL to support your life choices. Say 'no thank you MIL' to future holidays. I'd also urge you to think long and hard about whether you want to stay married to such a pathetic manchild!

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 28/02/2024 17:47

I'm not sure the money is a huge factor in this at all. Money or no money, she comments are annoying but they certainly don't appear toxic or belittling. She just appears to be someone with an opinion on everything and believes her way is the right way.

If it were me, I would just let it in one ear snd out the other. Thanks for the suggestions, yes we balance indoor/outdoor time, it balances out over the week. Yes, we stuck to her like glue when she started climbing first but she does it frequently and she's fine etc. We might do that next time, we'll be outdoors a lot tomorrow etc.

Pity about Arina, I think it's a lovely name but if your husband didn't agree, that's a seperate issue.

None of what she says is important or worth dwelling on. Why are you letting it get to you?

BudgetFoodie · 28/02/2024 17:48

Stop being such a doormat............people treat you how you allow them to!

If you don't want to go on holiday then don't go.

Your DH isn't going to change anytime soon, he is a total mummy's boy.

saraclara · 28/02/2024 17:50

None of what she says is important or worth dwelling on. Why are you letting it get to you?

Yep. Putting away the whole money thing, the comments you've given as examples are irritating (the museum thing, the beach thing, the sofa thing) or rude (the name thing) but really, in the scheme of things, comments that that you should very easily be able to grey rock or fight back on.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 28/02/2024 17:55

Shetlands · 28/02/2024 14:33

If you don't want the comments and your husband won't say anything then you'll have to. Tell her you know she means well but you find her constant criticisms emotionally exhausting and they're wearing down your self esteem. Tell her you'd find it easier to accept her 'advice' if she also made positive comments about your mothering but it's too skewed towards the negative.

You have nothing to lose because you don't want or need her gifts so she can't bribe you even if that works with your DH.

Excellent advice.
She sounds exactly like Lady Catherine De Burgh!! In the novel, she was the powerful person who pontificated to all and sundry, but gradually everyone gets fed up and starts doing what they like.

You are in a difficult situation. But that doesn't mean you can't stand up to her. Unfortunately, your DH won't so you have to be the bad guy.
Firstly. Have confidence in your parenting. Make sure your DH understands this.
Make sure he understands you don't have to follow every silly order. She has had her time to be the parent. Its your turn now and you will never get this time back.
eg when she complained about taking your DC to Young V &A Your DH did stand up to her.. but wilted again when she insisted on the playground. You need to stand up to her, each and every time (unless it is actually a sensible recommendation) and say "Oh yes, Fresh Air is wonderful" (I am going to do exactly what I want)

Unfortunately, you have to be a bit strategic dealing with folk like this.
Don't volunteer so much information about your daily lives. She doesn't need to know the precise details. Plan ahead for things so you know what you are doing. Buy time by saying I'll get back to you. Nix the holidays, that is too long a chunk of quality time in your own unit. Get your own financial/legal advice or research it so you can make your own decisions and are fully informed and confident that YOU made the right choices, then close down discussions about it.

Stand up to the shitty comments like the ones about the names. YOu can still be polite and civil when you do this. What's the worst she can do if you challenge her over shitty comments like that? Insist that it wasn't shitty?

When the DC start school, start reclaiming your career and independence.

Cherrysoup · 28/02/2024 17:55

Why you not refuse to go on holiday with her? Are you not allowed to go just you, DH and dds? Does he not defend you against her constantly commenting? It sounds exhausting, I’d go nuts at him for not telling her to shut up.

Shetlands · 28/02/2024 17:56

Nanny0gg · 28/02/2024 17:40

Let them take the kids

He can't sit in the adults only bit then, can he?

You are more in control of this than you think

If the OP did that, I suspect the MiL would just hire a nanny.

The only solution is to stand up to her - she might even respect you more if you did. Do it in adult way, no tears or shouting - just be assertive and polite.

You already have a house of your own and some investments so you have nothing to fear from her financial power.

Historygirl91 · 28/02/2024 17:56

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:43

@Haydenn yeah I go on the holidays but because my DH wants to. He knows I don't enjoy them. Why would I enjoy being told every day that I'm making my daughters miss hours of sunshine because we woke up at 8 and didn't get to the beach till 9 (compared to my perfect MIL who's been on the beach since 7:30)? Why would i enjoy being told that my daughters shouldn't be wearing any swimsuit rather than wear the UPF 50+ I've put them in, which will inevitably cause skin irritation (it never has...)? Why would I enjoy her telling my husband to sit in a separate part from me all day (there's a kids bit and no-kids bit of the beach) so that he "can have a peaceful holiday" whilst I manage a toddler and a baby all day?

You’re being too passive, just don’t go on the holidays. It doesn’t sound enjoyable. Going because your DH wants you to isn’t a good enough reason if it’s winding you up so much. Find your voice and be a positive role model for your girls.

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 28/02/2024 17:57

sprigatito · 28/02/2024 14:38

Wtf?! No, financial gifts absolutely don't buy someone a stake in your decision-making or the right to make intrusive, insulting remarks that undermine you as parents. Your DH needs to talk to her and get some clear boundaries in place. If she won't accept that she needs to be respectful, then I would be having considerably less contact with her.

WTF??? OP has a choice and if that was me, I'd put up with it and some won't. So the OP can decide if to accept or leave. Ideally a change in MiL behaviour but son knows which side his breads are buttered on

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 28/02/2024 18:02

BudgetFoodie · 28/02/2024 17:48

Stop being such a doormat............people treat you how you allow them to!

If you don't want to go on holiday then don't go.

Your DH isn't going to change anytime soon, he is a total mummy's boy.

Exactly that and I've said, mummy boy.
So OP has to decide to put up with it to stay - get them to change which is almost impossible or go.

I've seen mummys boys, quiet a few of them from my background. Nothing wrong with beig a mummy boy as log as the boy remembers they are married/etc and have children ad first priority in moments where the boys OH is hurt by MiL, mummys boy needed to be diplomatic and tell mummy she is wrong, does not have to have an audience when this happens.

Compared to some of the MiLs I've seen, this one seems ok and more so by the fact she gave them a house to live in

Anele22 · 28/02/2024 18:02

I absolutely disagree with the posters saying that if you accept the house you have to accept her comments. You do not! Tell her to pack it in. You're the parents and you'll do what you see fit. If she then decides to stop with the gifts - so be it. She's shown her true colours, and that the gifts were conditional. I'd call her bluff. Unless she says it's conditional I'd assume the gifts were completely unrelated to her interfering in your parenting.

Lots of people live on family money. Doesn't mean they can't run their homes in the way they want.

Soontobe60 · 28/02/2024 18:04

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:20

@DistingusedSocialCommentator what else do I want? To not be put down for every single decision I ever make, including where I take my kids.

And she didn't gift me a house - it's in his name with a strong pre nup.

But your family benefit from this gift massively as you do t have a mortgage to pay!

Ariona · 28/02/2024 18:04

Howmanycatsistoomany · 28/02/2024 17:46

For starters, get yourself back in the workplace. Pay your own way and stop expecting your MIL to support your life choices. Say 'no thank you MIL' to future holidays. I'd also urge you to think long and hard about whether you want to stay married to such a pathetic manchild!

Op aren't you worried that he can up and leave you homeless if he wants? You've been very foolish but that's your own doing.

StopStartStop · 28/02/2024 18:10

OP, how strong is your position? You're married but with a pre-nup (I've been told those count for nothing in the UK but I wouldn't rely on that!) and you're not working. The house is ring-fenced for him? Will you be back here in ten years time crying 'He's left me for another woman! I have nothing, no job, no savings, no home!' Well not quite, as you say you have a house already, bought with an inheritance.
Why not take your children and move into your own house? You won't need to see your (hopefully) ex Husband's mother. Peace all round. And get a job. I was a SAHM for a while, and at the end of my working life I lost ten years employment possibility to illness, and it's made a heck of a mess of my pension arrangements.

Soontobe60 · 28/02/2024 18:10

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:43

@Haydenn yeah I go on the holidays but because my DH wants to. He knows I don't enjoy them. Why would I enjoy being told every day that I'm making my daughters miss hours of sunshine because we woke up at 8 and didn't get to the beach till 9 (compared to my perfect MIL who's been on the beach since 7:30)? Why would i enjoy being told that my daughters shouldn't be wearing any swimsuit rather than wear the UPF 50+ I've put them in, which will inevitably cause skin irritation (it never has...)? Why would I enjoy her telling my husband to sit in a separate part from me all day (there's a kids bit and no-kids bit of the beach) so that he "can have a peaceful holiday" whilst I manage a toddler and a baby all day?

Your DH is the problem here, not your MIL.
You need to grow up - confront your MIL yourself. Tell her and DH that no, you’re not going on anymore expensive holidays with her because she’s awful.
But you won’t, will you, because you’ve got this lovely life where you have absolutely no financial worries.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 28/02/2024 18:12

OP has her own house, Ariona so no need to feel so gleefully sorry for her.

Doteycat · 28/02/2024 18:13

Christ on a bike, you sure have sold your soul to the devil havent you.
It wont change, unless you leave.
How in gods name did you think you would be able to live comment/judgement free when you took so much materially from this woman?
You may not be paying money for the house, but dear god you are paying, in so so many other ways.
I cant comprehend how you find youd DH in any way attractive? Has he no self respect?
Nah, your MIL is not the problem here, you thinking you got free ride is.
Silly silly girl.

5128gap · 28/02/2024 18:21

She's treating you like children because you're acting like children. She houses you and is providing for you long after most adults fend for themselves, so you've got stuck in a prolonged mother/dependent child relationship. You and your husband need to take responsibility for yourselves because you can hardly blame the woman for thinking she knows best when without her you'd not have a home or enough income to support your family.

Crazycatlady79 · 28/02/2024 18:21

If you're not happy with the comments, then say something to her, FFS. Don't rely upon a man to say something to his Mummy on your behalf.