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To think she shouldn't put him in tights?

635 replies

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:01

Just trying to understand and find a way forward.

A family member's little boy is in foster care currently. He is 4 yo. The FC keeps putting him in tights. His mum is getting upset with it and doesn't understand why she keeps doing it. She has asked for her to stop and the SW has asked her to stop too. Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item. He was getting so hot in them the other day as of course he has trousers over them.

Can anyone shed any light as to why she is doing this or what his mum can do about it?

OP posts:
FictionalCharacter · 24/02/2024 10:02

I'm astonished that so many people here are saying "it's fine, it's to keep him warm, lots of adults do this in cold weather when they're outdoors". The child isn't outdoors and the weather isn't cold.

I never put an extra layer under my son's trousers, he would have been boiling!
This carer sounds like someone who over dresses children, believing they'll be cold when they won't.

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:02

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:01

Honestly if anyone thinks a four year old needs to conform to a stereotype of boy and girl they have serious issues they need to address. There is nothing wrong with a boy wearing tights ffs.

Read the thread ffs.

There are many things wrong with this situation.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 10:02

Lumiodes · 24/02/2024 08:31

If the child has been taken into foster care then tights are the least of his problems. If Mum wants to decide what he wears then maybe don’t get him taken off you?

Could you explain how she could have stopped getting cancer in order to prevent him going into FC?

OP posts:
amylou8 · 24/02/2024 10:02

With the threshold for taking a child into care being so high, I think mums energy would be best spent dealing with whatever resulted in this happening. Nit picking the FC just sounds like a deflection for her, in what I'm sure is a very upsetting and stressful time.

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:02

Not to mention he's in foster care, so maybe the mother should be concerned about that rather than the poor foster parent who's obviously doing her best trying to look after her child!

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:03

amylou8 · 24/02/2024 10:02

With the threshold for taking a child into care being so high, I think mums energy would be best spent dealing with whatever resulted in this happening. Nit picking the FC just sounds like a deflection for her, in what I'm sure is a very upsetting and stressful time.

Absolutely!

BimBimBaloo · 24/02/2024 10:03

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:09

A section 20.

Then 100% push for the Supervising social worker to take this up with the foster carer.

I'd there a reason why the child is with a foster carer and not with a kinship/ family and friends carer?

TooOldForThisNonsense · 24/02/2024 10:03

Why is the FC ignoring the instruction from SW? That’s the biggest issue surely

Saltandpeppero · 24/02/2024 10:04

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 10:02

Could you explain how she could have stopped getting cancer in order to prevent him going into FC?

That’s heartbreaking.

It just shows how you shouldn’t assume.

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:05

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:02

Not to mention he's in foster care, so maybe the mother should be concerned about that rather than the poor foster parent who's obviously doing her best trying to look after her child!

Can you read?

The kid is in foster care because THE MOTHER HAS CANCER AND IS HAVING TREATMENT TO SAVE HER LIFE.

The dad isn’t on the scene and the only family the mum has is the op who can’t take in the child because she has 2 disabled children of her own.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 10:06

NewFriendlyLadybird · 24/02/2024 08:33

There are two possible reasons the FC is putting him in tights . (1) for warmth (2) to secure his nappy.

To my mind, there are legitimate reasons to ask her to stop (1) he’s too hot (2) the feel and texture of the tights fabric is upsetting him.

There is also a non-legitimate reason to ask her to stop: tights are for girls.

You, the BM and the SW (though I find this hard to believe) are bothered about the wrong thing.

Oh for goodness sake. For the final time - we don't want him to be uncomfortable. Following on from the SW's comments mum was also worried about his dignity. And saying you don't believe it, up to you. But if SW is anything like nursing then dignity is a massive thing.

OP posts:
Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:06

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:02

Read the thread ffs.

There are many things wrong with this situation.

Perhaps the family needs to step up and look after the child if there are other issues as well. I've just seen the comments re the tights

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:07

BimBimBaloo · 24/02/2024 10:03

Then 100% push for the Supervising social worker to take this up with the foster carer.

I'd there a reason why the child is with a foster carer and not with a kinship/ family and friends carer?

The reason is not everyone has an abundance of family and friends who would be able to take in a disabled 4 year old full time for an unknown length of time.

Shamalar · 24/02/2024 10:08

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:00

Are you seriously more interested in it being ok for boys to wear tights in principle than you are in the fact a distressed, disabled, vulnerable child is being made hot, uncomfortable and itchy because a FC thinks that they are above the directive from the mother, the sw and the advice from the nursery?!

Honestly, I don’t believe the boy is as hot and uncomfortable as OP claims. She started off by saying that boys don’t wear tights and even the SW says it’s undignified, but after posters said otherwise, she started to focus on his comfort and his discomfort has gotten worse as the thread has progressed.

FabFebHalfTerm · 24/02/2024 10:08

amylou8 · 24/02/2024 10:02

With the threshold for taking a child into care being so high, I think mums energy would be best spent dealing with whatever resulted in this happening. Nit picking the FC just sounds like a deflection for her, in what I'm sure is a very upsetting and stressful time.

@amylou8

at least do @TotoroElla the courtesy of reading her posts .

FFS her sister has cancer, Toto has 2 SEN DC of her own & there's no other family who could look after him.

MumTeacherofMany · 24/02/2024 10:08

If he's wearing them under trousers like you said what 3 year olds are laughing at them lol? Honestly? I agree it is unnecessary though, it's fairly mild for February

lovelysoap · 24/02/2024 10:08

I think mum is focusing on the tights issue to avoid the real issue. Children are only taken into foster care as a very last resort. There is a huge lack of foster care spaces and they only go to the children most at risk of immediate serious harm and when there are no other suitable family members who are even able to care for the child on a temporary basis. Things generally need to be rock bottom for a child to be in foster care and not even dad or any of dads extended family or friends can care for the child. Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

i think that it is understandable that the family will focus on a small issue about the foster carer which is easier than facing up tot he very difficult reality that they cant keep a child safe despite social workers trying to work with them to keep the child safe for a long time.

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

Lassiata · 24/02/2024 10:09

It's not undignified, that's ludicrous, but I bet he is way too warm, poor lad.

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:09

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:06

Perhaps the family needs to step up and look after the child if there are other issues as well. I've just seen the comments re the tights

Right, so as well as the mother being bad for having cancer, the op is a bad aunty for having 2 disabled children and not having the capacity to parent a third?

Lassiata · 24/02/2024 10:09

lovelysoap · 24/02/2024 10:08

I think mum is focusing on the tights issue to avoid the real issue. Children are only taken into foster care as a very last resort. There is a huge lack of foster care spaces and they only go to the children most at risk of immediate serious harm and when there are no other suitable family members who are even able to care for the child on a temporary basis. Things generally need to be rock bottom for a child to be in foster care and not even dad or any of dads extended family or friends can care for the child. Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

i think that it is understandable that the family will focus on a small issue about the foster carer which is easier than facing up tot he very difficult reality that they cant keep a child safe despite social workers trying to work with them to keep the child safe for a long time.

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

Did you read why he is in foster care?

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 10:09

BreatheAndFocus · 24/02/2024 08:34

But perhaps she doesn’t even get why the tights aren’t ok? It’s like saying why did she bring the child along with hair longer than an inch because ‘everyone knows boys need shaved heads with very short hair because hair round the ears or hair that’s curling at all is for girls’. That’s equally ridiculous.

Maybe the mum needs to look at her regressive ideas and the message they might send in future? This week I saw a mum in the supermarket snapping at her son when he pointed to a pink character Easter egg and said that was the one he wanted for Easter. She told him it was “for girls”. When he said “but I like it”, she took his hand and pulled him away.

Pretty much all attitudes like that stem from homophobia IMO. Poor little boy.

She doesn't need to get why the tights aren't ok. His mother has asked for him to not wear them. Unless the FC thinks it is harmful to the little lad to not wear them (which I find hard to believe as he was fine with his mum in socks and the majority of not all the other little boys will be wearing socks) then she needs to follow the mothers (and SWs) instructions.

OP posts:
YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/02/2024 10:10

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

Another judgemental twatty post made by a poster with limited reading ability.

The mother has cancer.

FabFebHalfTerm · 24/02/2024 10:11

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:03

Absolutely!

@Tatonka

then read the OP's posts.

the Mum has cancer. The op has her own children (also with SEN) and no other family.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 24/02/2024 10:12

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:17

Wearing them for outdoor activities is a different situation to a toddler just wearing them when inside. I said that because his mum was upset about kids at nursery making fun of him as tights are usually put on girls. The SW also said it wasn't dignified for him to be put in items of clothing usually put on girls. I then went on to say how hot he was as to make it clear it wasn't that it was freezing so she'd put them on him for warmth (especially as he would be in a warm house wearing them no matter the weather).

I don't believe the SW said that. Clothes, colours, and toys are for everyone - tights are fine for boys to wear.

Rosestulips · 24/02/2024 10:12

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:06

Perhaps the family needs to step up and look after the child if there are other issues as well. I've just seen the comments re the tights

Perhaps you need to work on your reading and comprehension skills.

The father is not around, no grandparents, the only family is OP who has two disabled children of her own!

But you just chose to be judgmental. Shameful

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