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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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DuesToTheDirt · 23/02/2024 20:12

did Jorge know Scarlet was a man? We'll never know, I suppose.

I can't believe that Jorge thought Scarlet was a woman. He's 6' with a male voice, and presumably all the other male attributes like gait.

Jorge was apparently hit on the back of the head though, so he may not have seen Scarlet before he was hit.

Edited to say - I misread one of the articles. Jorge was 6', I'm not sure about Scarlet.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2024 20:12

I don't think it's as simple as there are males and females and that's it.

It is that simple and you know it, which is why you're coming out with whataboutery and empty waffle. Why is this man a "woman"? What makes him so? Surely it's not just that he says he is?

RufustheFactualReindeer · 23/02/2024 20:13

You are quite obviously not being unreasonable and i find it amazing that 6% of the voters think you are unreasonable

WomaninBoots · 23/02/2024 20:15

They're all scrabbling around updating their articles now aren't they?

We see you, you lying fucks.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2024 20:15

It's a good point - did Jorge know Scarlet was a man? We'll never know, I suppose.

He was very drunk which enabled Scarlet to take advantage. Having listened to Scarlet whining "at least it isn't genocide" when arrested in the video released in the press, I imagine he'd have realised if sober, as Scarlet doesn't sound female.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 20:17

Mustreadabook · 23/02/2024 20:12

It does say she is transgender about halfway through the article

'Blake, who is transgender,'

That's all it says, and it could mean anything. Will most people notice that one word, weight it against all the 'woman' and 'she' and 'her' and come to the correct understanding; that Blake is male?

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ErrolTheDragon · 23/02/2024 20:17

RufustheFactualReindeer · 23/02/2024 20:13

You are quite obviously not being unreasonable and i find it amazing that 6% of the voters think you are unreasonable

There's usually a few who click the wrong button. I believe you can try again if you think you might have done that and it'll overwrite the previous vote.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 20:17

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2024 20:15

It's a good point - did Jorge know Scarlet was a man? We'll never know, I suppose.

He was very drunk which enabled Scarlet to take advantage. Having listened to Scarlet whining "at least it isn't genocide" when arrested in the video released in the press, I imagine he'd have realised if sober, as Scarlet doesn't sound female.

It was dark, he was drunk, Scarlet had a hood up and was wearing a mask.

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Jackiebrambles · 23/02/2024 20:18

Plus all the bloody headlines say ‘woman’, they’ve buried ‘transgender’ right at the bottom. All of them!

Tootiredtogaf · 23/02/2024 20:22

My heart goes out to Jorge and his family.

His death just didn't make sense. I was so shocked.
Random lone women don't go out looking for strangers to murder. I can't recall another case.
Females who murder strangers tend to do so with a male partner. West, Hindley etc.

Whereas men frequently kill other men, women, boys, girls, cats, dogs etc.

The accused had been relentlessly represented in all media as female. I doubted this, but could only find one comment on sm that the accused was unusually tall for a woman and had a masculine gait in the cc TV. Replies were predictable.

Nagado · 23/02/2024 20:22

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 18:36

For me the correct pronouns are what an individual prefers, be it he/she/they. Turning it round on you - do you think a transgendered witness or victim shouldn't have their preferred pronouns used? A recent very sad example being Brianna Ghey.

I don't think victims should be compelled to use any particular terms, giving evidence is traumatic enough. But that is a very different argument to the use of preferred pronouns by the press.

You don’t think victims should be compelled to use their attacker’s preferred pronouns but you think the press should use them? Are there other groups of people who should be able to choose whether or not to use them? The prosecution for instance? If the victim’s friends or family are being interviewed after a case, should they be compelled to use preferred pronouns? Or should the media bleep out any use of pronouns that haven’t been approved by a violent and dangerous criminal? Will there be lists of people who get to be honest and those who must use preferred pronouns?

This is the trouble when you start trying to ‘be kind’. None of it makes any sense and you’ll just tie yourself in knots trying to justify or explain any of it.

DamasceneRose · 23/02/2024 20:34

We live in Oxford. When this case was first reported in the local news, I said to my DH that it was an extremely unusual crime for a woman. Neither of us was surprised when “Scarlet” turned out to be male.

The poor victim’s family must be devastated to know that he was preyed upon when lost in a new city, having dropped his wallet. Scarlet is pure evil.

I really wish I hadn’t read about what he did to his neighbour’s cat. I actually feel sick and cannot imagine how anybody could be so cruel. It should have been a huge warning sign of what was to come and might have avoided the tragic loss of Jorge’s life. Anybody who tortures and kills an animal should be charged with more than “criminal damage” - it reduces the crime to the level of keying a neighbour’s car.

Seeing headlines like “Oxford woman charged with murder” is extremely misleading. When do you ever hear of women prowling the streets and looking for male victims? It is so very rare and recording this murderer as “female” is nonsense.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 20:42

Yes, the details of this case are heartbreaking and stomach-turning. I believe Blake was also charged with, and admitted to, animal abuse. Criminal damage and causing suffering to an animal.

https://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/news/thames-valley/news/2024/february/19-02-2024/guilty-verdict-for-murder-into-death-of-jorge-martin-carreno--oxford/

Interestingly, TV Police use 'a person' and 'a character' and 'defendant' throughout.

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Melroses · 23/02/2024 20:42

I read the court report of what happened to the cat and it is sickening.

The poor jury had to watch the video, but I think they cut out the worst parts for them.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 20:44

Thames Valley Police and Crime Comissioner has recently criticsed TVP for calling a sexual abuse suspect 'she' when it was, you've guessed it, a man/transwoman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68268552

https://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/news/thames-valley/news/2024/february/05-02-2024/woman-charged-in-connection-with-sexual-offences--witney/

'Osareen Omoruyi, aged 51, of Ducklington Lane, Witney, was charged today (9/2) with two counts each of sexual assault by penetration and causing/ inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.'

Omoruyi was also reported in the press as a woman:

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24110781.witney-woman-charged-connection-child-sex-offences/

#notourcrimes

Matthew Barber

Thames Valley PCC criticises force over gender description of defendant

Thames Valley Police "wrong" to accept suspect's self-description as female, says crime commissioner.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68268552

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SomeCatFromJapan · 23/02/2024 20:46

It does say she is transgender about halfway through the article

He. He's a violent, murderous man.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 20:47

'A police and crime commissioner (PCC) has criticised his own force for accepting a defendant's self-description as a woman.
Thames Valley Police previously said Osareen Omoruyi, 51, of Witney in Oxfordshire, was a female and had been charged with sexual offences.
PCC Matthew Barber said the defendant was male and the police should "deal in facts" to maintain public confidence.'

So it seems TVP have taken on board PCC Matthew Barber's comments in so far as they are just avoiding all sexed/gendered references at all. I'm still not sure this makes his sex clear.

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Abeona · 23/02/2024 20:55

The first thing that goes through my head when I read about yet another woman murdering or torturing or abducting a child is 'almost certainly not a woman.'

It's time the Press Council or whatever body has ruled that news outlets have to use the preferred pronouns of the offender. In fact it's time someone (Sex Matters, looking at you) challenged it. Not sure it's something that can be challenged legally, but it's the deliberate spreading of lies and misinformation and it needs to stop.

pickledandpuzzled · 23/02/2024 20:58

I wonder what the family were told about the accused. At what point would they have heard the truth.

RogueFemale · 23/02/2024 20:59

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:51

For anyone who'd like to complain:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/

This can't go on. Recording this man's crime as that of a woman's will skew crime statistics. It undermines trust in the media, police, justice system. It's corrosive and mendacious and the bottom line is, its just fucking untrue. He is not a woman. Neither is the 'girlfriend' he confessed to, who left 'her' semen all over a jacket.

Thanks for the link, have submitted a complaint.

EsmaCannonball · 23/02/2024 21:18

The truth matters and that is that. There's something actually humiliating and sinister about being lied to in this way and just being expected to keep quiet about it. It feels like an attack on integrity itself.

Aside from that, we need to know the objective facts about crimes in order to understand them and prevent or solve them in the future.

This crime was committed by a man, a man with a warped fantasy about being a female serial killer. Every media organisation describing this man as a woman is showing their willingness to degrade women as nothing beyond a man's fetish.

I wonder how the victim's family feel about Blake being described throughout as a woman while knowing if that were true the chances of this crime happening or being successful are incredibly small?

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 21:22

EsmaCannonball · 23/02/2024 21:18

The truth matters and that is that. There's something actually humiliating and sinister about being lied to in this way and just being expected to keep quiet about it. It feels like an attack on integrity itself.

Aside from that, we need to know the objective facts about crimes in order to understand them and prevent or solve them in the future.

This crime was committed by a man, a man with a warped fantasy about being a female serial killer. Every media organisation describing this man as a woman is showing their willingness to degrade women as nothing beyond a man's fetish.

I wonder how the victim's family feel about Blake being described throughout as a woman while knowing if that were true the chances of this crime happening or being successful are incredibly small?

Yes. This disturbed man appears to have several paraphilias. His sadism is part of his fetish.

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EveningReflection · 23/02/2024 21:25

None of the articles even seem to have the guts to explicitly say that the perpetrator was born a man. Saying that at least would bring some clarity to this charade. It's scary how quickly it has become acceptable to perform this deception on the general public. The lobbyists have really performed miracles.

EsmaCannonball · 23/02/2024 21:30

Blake also identified as a cat sometimes. Why isn't the media respecting his right to be called a cat? Why isn't his crime being recorded as being committed by a cat? Why aren't all the pronoun-respecters also honouring his right to be referred to as a cat? I'm not being facetious; if you think this person is a woman then don't you dare try to wriggle out of recognising he is also a cat. Own your ridiculousness.

PoddleOn · 23/02/2024 21:32

It has become apparent that there are an increasing number of violent criminals who are hiding behind the mask of womanhood with insidious agendas. These people are manipulating the general public and by reporting on them using their own narrative, the BBC and other broadcasters/journalists become complicit in that.

Society is effectively being gaslighted into believing that the right of a small minority to hijack a gender identity to further their own nefarious means, supersedes the rights of the majority.

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