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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2024 16:12

GailBlancheViola · 24/02/2024 16:10

Equally how many men who want to be women make sure they keep their male reproductive system in full working order.

Important for the 'euphoria'

Rosesanddaisies1 · 24/02/2024 16:13

I feel like you’re massively focusing on the wrong bit of this.

IAmTheGibby · 24/02/2024 16:19

We need to stop allowing ourselves to get distracted by all this nonsense about “female brains” and the ridiculous attempts to pretend that sex can be changed.

The media continues to report this as a woman’s crime. It is not.

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 16:28

AIstolemylunch · 24/02/2024 15:40

Don't come on here and lecture women about sex determination. I've got a degree in molecular biology, I know how sex determination in mammals works and it is determined at conception. If it goes wrong somewhere downstream and the individual is born with a DSD, they are still male or female. In very rare cases of chimerism they may have streak gonads or ovotestes, but they are still male or female, and this has nothing to do with people with psychological problems who believe they are trans. Or are you suggesting that all trans people have DSDs or that all trans sex criminals have DSDs? There's a few DSD activists on twitter that might want a word if so.

And you male/female brain desperation is laughable. As anyone that knows anything about neurobiology, brains are plastic and moulded according to environment, so are influenced by sexuality, hobbies, interests, ASD, mental illness, hormones and depression etc. There's no such thing as a male or female brain outside of a brain found in a female or a brain found in a male.

Just give it up. Stop looking for a biological explanation for a 'mistake' that means people are 'born in the wrong body' Its utter nonsense. You get the body youre born with and thats it. The mask has slipped. People gave trans identifying people an inch and, as usual, the men involved demanded a mile. We dont see trans identifying men as woman and we never will. We see them as deluded men with mental m illnesses or paraphillias that have taken over their lives. And always will.

Try and make a success out of the body and the life you've been given, instead of looking for external validation that will never come from more than a handful of naive people telling you lies to be nice.

You've completely missed the boat in anger. I never said that trans women are female. I said they are women.

Female = Mammalian/Sex
Woman = Human/Gender identity.

You can be a female and feel like a woman, or you can be male and feel like a woman. Being a woman is related to ones internal sense-of-self. It's how we feel about ourselves and unique to all of us. Having ovaries doesn't make you judge and jury over anyones sense-of-self.

And of course you talk of paraphilia's...we're back here again are we? Back to autogynephilia? When trans women go on HRT, their sex drive usually plummets and they tend to become impotent. It makes no sense. If it's sexual, then why we not de-transition when the so called "paraphilic disorder" element disappears?

And don't you like feeling sexy? When women wear lingerie and red lipstick so their lips resemble a vagina, is that not sexual? You don't like feeling desirable? Of course most women do...but if a trans woman does these things, suddenly it's a paraphilia? Maybe it's just us feeling in-tune with our femininity and sense-of-self, the same as it is with most women.

Plus, even when it is sexual and comes up later in life (which it does for some trans women) it's usually merely an outlet because it's the only way they feel able to express their femininity and experience euphoria. Hence when they go on HRT, the so called "paraphilias" disappear.

For most of us, it's not sexual. I hated being a boy from as young as 5 years old. I asked for a dolls house for my 6th birthday and was refused and reprimanded. I knew I wanted to be a girl before I knew anything about sex. I couldn't bear the idea of living as a boy or growing old as a man. I would have rather taken my own live 100 times over. Just as most people would if their gender identity doesn't match their gender expression. Imagine waking up and seeing a man in the mirror. In that scenario would it be realistic for me to just tell you to "get on with your life, that's your body now"? Or would you try to do something about it?

Ironic that you say we have mental illnesses, yet when we transition, the mental illnesses rates among us seem to plummet. Seems we're not fixing the "illness" in "the right way" in your view? Even the pseudo-scientist Ray Blanchard who peddled the same paraphilia argument last century (and was humbled some decades ago) came to the conclusion that transitioning was the best solution. But "I've got a degree in molecular biology" over here knows what's best for us apparently!

The thing is, we do just want to get on with our lives. We don't ask for much. Mostly just basic HRT and gender identity clinic access so we can transition and become productive members of society with decent well-being, for people to treat us with dignity as human beings like everyone else, and for people to not thrust being trans front and centre when anything bad happens.

Case in point - here we have a psychopath and a murderer, but the priority on mumsnet is that the criminal is trans? That's what angers people about this person? Seriously? Maybe reflect on that a bit. It's insane.

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2024 16:33

Case in point - here we have a psychopath and a murderer, but the priority on mumsnet is that the criminal is trans? That's what angers people about this person? Seriously? Maybe reflect on that a bit. It's insane.

No. What angers people is a male crime being recorded as female and reported as such. Lies and misinformation from official organisations. It is not acceptable.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 16:34

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 16:28

You've completely missed the boat in anger. I never said that trans women are female. I said they are women.

Female = Mammalian/Sex
Woman = Human/Gender identity.

You can be a female and feel like a woman, or you can be male and feel like a woman. Being a woman is related to ones internal sense-of-self. It's how we feel about ourselves and unique to all of us. Having ovaries doesn't make you judge and jury over anyones sense-of-self.

And of course you talk of paraphilia's...we're back here again are we? Back to autogynephilia? When trans women go on HRT, their sex drive usually plummets and they tend to become impotent. It makes no sense. If it's sexual, then why we not de-transition when the so called "paraphilic disorder" element disappears?

And don't you like feeling sexy? When women wear lingerie and red lipstick so their lips resemble a vagina, is that not sexual? You don't like feeling desirable? Of course most women do...but if a trans woman does these things, suddenly it's a paraphilia? Maybe it's just us feeling in-tune with our femininity and sense-of-self, the same as it is with most women.

Plus, even when it is sexual and comes up later in life (which it does for some trans women) it's usually merely an outlet because it's the only way they feel able to express their femininity and experience euphoria. Hence when they go on HRT, the so called "paraphilias" disappear.

For most of us, it's not sexual. I hated being a boy from as young as 5 years old. I asked for a dolls house for my 6th birthday and was refused and reprimanded. I knew I wanted to be a girl before I knew anything about sex. I couldn't bear the idea of living as a boy or growing old as a man. I would have rather taken my own live 100 times over. Just as most people would if their gender identity doesn't match their gender expression. Imagine waking up and seeing a man in the mirror. In that scenario would it be realistic for me to just tell you to "get on with your life, that's your body now"? Or would you try to do something about it?

Ironic that you say we have mental illnesses, yet when we transition, the mental illnesses rates among us seem to plummet. Seems we're not fixing the "illness" in "the right way" in your view? Even the pseudo-scientist Ray Blanchard who peddled the same paraphilia argument last century (and was humbled some decades ago) came to the conclusion that transitioning was the best solution. But "I've got a degree in molecular biology" over here knows what's best for us apparently!

The thing is, we do just want to get on with our lives. We don't ask for much. Mostly just basic HRT and gender identity clinic access so we can transition and become productive members of society with decent well-being, for people to treat us with dignity as human beings like everyone else, and for people to not thrust being trans front and centre when anything bad happens.

Case in point - here we have a psychopath and a murderer, but the priority on mumsnet is that the criminal is trans? That's what angers people about this person? Seriously? Maybe reflect on that a bit. It's insane.

No. This poster called out your misinformation about sex not being determined at conception.

or have you forgotten that you made that statement?

itsmylife7 · 24/02/2024 16:35

And don't you like feeling sexy? When women wear lingerie and red lipstick so their lips resemble a vagina, is that not sexual?

Wtf have I just read .

So Women (the old fashioned type)
Is this really true about red lipstick,or just another fucking fantasy from the "new better type of women"

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2024 16:37

itsmylife7 · 24/02/2024 16:35

And don't you like feeling sexy? When women wear lingerie and red lipstick so their lips resemble a vagina, is that not sexual?

Wtf have I just read .

So Women (the old fashioned type)
Is this really true about red lipstick,or just another fucking fantasy from the "new better type of women"

I've never worn red lipstick in my life, but what do I know about being a woman? I'm just the boring old biological kind 🙄

Whatthechicken · 24/02/2024 16:42

Not read the full thread, but recording men as women really does women no favours at all. Apart from the fact that men have been placed in women’s prisons, victims of rape have had to refer to their rapists as ‘she’ in court and men have been given access to women and children’s refuges (the very ones that women set up for women because they were needed due to brutality dished out by men). Research and funding is provided on the basis of stats. In the past, many break through discoveries in safety and medicine have been based on studies whose subjects were men - because women were just not that important. Science has enabled humans to do amazing things and yet pre term infant deaths and endometriosis are relatively under researched. You start messing with stats and women are even less likely to get the research desperately needed into specific health conditions related to their sex.

Totallymessed · 24/02/2024 16:43

As the conversation has "turned" to the topic of pink and blue brains, it reminded me of this old video.@Erin394 may find it inspirational!

Women: Know Your Limits! Harry Enfield - BBC comedy

An important public service announcement brought to you by the comedy legend Harry Enfield and his Chums. From BBC.Watch more Harry Enfield clips with BBC Wo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

PonyPatter44 · 24/02/2024 16:43

I think its actually really sad that Erin wasn't allowed a dolls house when he was young, and this is why gender stereotyping is so unkind. Little boys who are gentle, artistic, and family-oriented are told that they are wrong, or not 'proper' boys. But noone is born in the wrong body - so there is no 'right' way to be a boy. Perhaps if small boys were allowed or encouraged to be kind, gentle and nurturing, there would be a bit less male violence.

soupycustard · 24/02/2024 16:46

Erin,
No one has said anywhere that they want to stop trans people 'merely exisiting'. I would think it's pretty clear that if transwomen just wanted to live their own lives their own way without pretending they were actual women and invading actual women's spaces, people would be fine with it. You do you, but not when it impinges on the safety and hard-earned rights of 51% of the population.
'Thrusting their gender forward and centre' is what TW are doing. Women are absolutely not thrusting anything at all. We are simply trying to maintain our legal, hard-earned rights as women living in a patriarchy.

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2024 16:47

OH GOD OH GOD HELP ME! SAVE ME!

I'M WOMANING WRONG!

I've never worn red lipstick and HATE the feel of "sexy" lingerie. OH my goodness. I'M SHOOK. I'm doing it aaaall wrong. Oh please Mr Man, tell me more about how to get it right now I see the error of my ways.

..

🙄

Whatthechicken · 24/02/2024 16:48

And don't you like feeling sexy? When women wear lingerie and red lipstick so their lips resemble a vagina, is that not sexual?

In my 45 years on earth I have never once thought of my lips on my face as looking like a VULVA. And if my VULVA was was that red I’d be off to the GUM clinic sharpish.

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2024 16:53

It's so telling that when 'transwomen' start sharing how they understand their 'womanhood' ... it's through the most unreconstructed male gaze imaginable.

I mean, bright red lipstick and sexy lingerie 😵‍💫 give me a fucking break

Only a man could ever boil it down to that

SomeCatFromJapan · 24/02/2024 16:54

And don't you like feeling sexy? When women wear lingerie and red lipstick so their lips resemble a vagina, is that not sexual? You don't like feeling desirable?

Fucksake. That's a horribly offensive stereotype that is very very clearly about the male gaze and male view of what constitutes a "sexy" woman (and a very dated one at that).
I won't be discussing my own erotic palette with you but it certainly isn't those tawdry cliches and pandering.

CousinGreg55 · 24/02/2024 16:56

This all a huge revolting derail from the actual subject which is the media hiding the truth in this court case.

SomeCatFromJapan · 24/02/2024 16:56

It's also somewhat sickening that the discussion about an horrific and sexually-motivated crime has swung round to that.

Kalevala · 24/02/2024 17:00

You've completely missed the boat in anger. I never said that trans women are female. I said they are women.

Female = Mammalian/Sex
Woman = Human/Gender identity.

Female doesn't indicate the species or if we are talking about a juvenile or adult. What's the human version of a mare or a filly?

Froodwithatowel · 24/02/2024 17:00

There's two activist posters at it this afternoon, huge amounts of burble, and it all boils down to 'I am a raging misogynist'. And sod all else. Tis tedious.

Gingangoolee · 24/02/2024 17:00

Asking that the sex at birth of a perpetrator of a heinous crime be reported in a way that the majority of people understand needn’t affect the day to day lives law abiding trans people.

lifeturnsonadime · 24/02/2024 17:04

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2024 16:05

It's basically just another shade of incel, isn't it?

Yes, this is exactly it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2024 17:05

You've completely missed the boat in anger. I never said that trans women are female. I said they are women.

Female = Mammalian/Sex
Woman = Human/Gender identity.

Women are simply adult human females. There's no more to it, no sexist stereotypes which define us. No ladybrains. And you missed the boat a long time ago.

itsmylife7 · 24/02/2024 17:05

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2024 16:37

I've never worn red lipstick in my life, but what do I know about being a woman? I'm just the boring old biological kind 🙄

God us old fashioned type of women are so "boring" imagine NOT wearing your red lipstick to match "your bits"

But wait ...what if red doesn't suit us 💋

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2024 17:05

Female and male aren't fucking "mammalian" either.... waaaaaaaay more ancient that that.

I know all this is a massive de-rail but it is also illustrative of the utter codswallop of it all... the codswallop that our institutions all seem to have swallowed hook, linear fucking sinker.

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