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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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Erin394 · 24/02/2024 14:50

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 14:42

Please stop using people with medical conditions for your own political purposes.

A person who has androgen insensitivity is not a person to be leveraged for your gain. They are a male human with androgen insensitivity. They have not developed ovaries because they are male.

They may be accepted as girls and women. But they never were destined to be female.

Again, you are proving that you are so deeply reading resources that seem more propaganda than based in factual truth.

Please stop this misinformation.

What political purposes?

I came here to discuss and debate science and the trans experience on a thread filled with vitriol about trans people. The politics arrived here long before I did.

Also I'm sorry to hurt your feelings by using scientific research in ways that go against your non-scientific views.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2024 14:50

Doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia entry about this murder yet. They're normally so quick off the mark when it comes to trans people in the news! Maybe they're waiting for him to be sentenced.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 14:50

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 14:26

I am not going to respond to everyone but given that the genetic validity of trans peoples existence seems to be the main topic of dispute here, that's what I've focused on in my previous post.

Just because our bits developed differently and our brains have likely got a bit muddled up early in development, that doesn't make anyone here the arbiter of what feeling like a woman is. And it's not like cisgender women are this uniform block of people who would all give the same answer anyway. I'm not going to have my gender identity gate-kept by anyone here, just like I would never try to do to anyone here.

Fuck. The misinformation just keeps on coming.

No male person becomes or is a woman. The word was never male people’s to acquire through any means.

There may be psychiatrist ‘muddling’ of brains but it is not physiological.

There are no ‘bits’ growing wrong at all. ‘Bits’ grow exactly to the genetic material that body has. If there is a medical condition, the body may be said to grow atypically. But this is nothing to do with people declaring they are trans (except for a miniscule number of the miniscule number of people with DSDs who are also trans).

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2024 14:50

pickledandpuzzled · 24/02/2024 14:48

why the fuck do you think women should have to share prison with scarlet??

Because women don't really register with him as worthy of anything. He sees them as lesser beings

It's such a weird dynamic. Wanting to be seen as something that they have no respect for. Massively fucked up

DamasceneRose · 24/02/2024 14:50

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 14:42

Please stop using people with medical conditions for your own political purposes.

A person who has androgen insensitivity is not a person to be leveraged for your gain. They are a male human with androgen insensitivity. They have not developed ovaries because they are male.

They may be accepted as girls and women. But they never were destined to be female.

Again, you are proving that you are so deeply reading resources that seem more propaganda than based in factual truth.

Please stop this misinformation.

Erin has tried to do the same thing with women who have elevated testosterone or PCOS. It makes no difference though - they are female.

Bbq1 · 24/02/2024 14:51

Chersfrozenface · 23/02/2024 15:58

Absolutely not a woman.

The BBC lying to us again, as they did in the case of Naomi / Nathan O'Brien.

Not even a humsn. A vile monster whi killed an innocent man and tortured a cat. Absolutely sickening. He should be tortured in the same way.

pickledandpuzzled · 24/02/2024 14:52

ROFL 🤣

Well you are patient and persistent, I’ll give you that.

However Women do not see why they should shower with Scarlett to save him from showering with men?

@Erin394 can you explain why you think they should?

Underthinker · 24/02/2024 14:52

Erin the study you posted shows that the average TW brain falls completely within the parameters of the male brain.

mrshoho · 24/02/2024 14:52

Across the world now statistics are being screwed with so many violent/sexual crimes being recorded as being committed by women when infact the perpetrators are male. It's ridiculous.

There'll be extensive studies to come researching why women are becoming more violent, more perverted. We can save them the time and expense by pointing out the bloody obvious.

pickledandpuzzled · 24/02/2024 14:53

I have found something you said that I agree with though- “our brains have likely got a bit muddled up early in development”

You said that, not me.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 14:55

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 14:50

What political purposes?

I came here to discuss and debate science and the trans experience on a thread filled with vitriol about trans people. The politics arrived here long before I did.

Also I'm sorry to hurt your feelings by using scientific research in ways that go against your non-scientific views.

You are not using scientific fact, you are perpetuating incorrect interpretations of science.

And you have leveraged people’s medical conditions to attempt to destabilize the well proven scientific fact that there are two sexes with a huge variation of bodies within those two sexes. That you cannot recognise what you are doing is probably because you have read someone’s interpretation of the facts and thought it was accurate. But it is not.

People are discussing a male person’s crime and how that impacts female people. You have not ‘debated’ science you seem incapable of understanding it.

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 14:55

SomeCatFromJapan · 24/02/2024 14:32

I'm not going to have my gender identity gate-kept by anyone here, just like I would never try to do to anyone here.

You're literally on here calling people cis.

With the word "most" beforehand. Cis is just a scientific word anyway, same as trans. I hope you aren't offended?

Mountains of replies and half of them are just facetious nitpicking.

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 14:57

pickledandpuzzled · 24/02/2024 14:53

I have found something you said that I agree with though- “our brains have likely got a bit muddled up early in development”

You said that, not me.

That's a win for me, considering a lot of people still think we're just sexual deviant wolves in sheeps clothing. Baby steps.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 14:57

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 14:50

What political purposes?

I came here to discuss and debate science and the trans experience on a thread filled with vitriol about trans people. The politics arrived here long before I did.

Also I'm sorry to hurt your feelings by using scientific research in ways that go against your non-scientific views.

There is vitriol on this thread against a murderer who tortured animals. And a good deal of anger towards the media for lying.

I think you are seeing 'vitriol about trans people' because you can't see anything that doesn't centre your 'gender identity'. Just as you cannot imagine or empathise with women in prison with transwomen, because you only see the transwoman as human and worthy of your compassion.

The rest of us just see men and women.

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Froodwithatowel · 24/02/2024 15:00

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 14:57

That's a win for me, considering a lot of people still think we're just sexual deviant wolves in sheeps clothing. Baby steps.

You're clinging on tight to the poor abused you narrative there. I have no idea how you've managed to read this thread and come out with that lot of nonsense but it's happening between your ears and nowhere else. There's no evidence of it.

Your perceptions and the reality are not matching here. And you cannot use those false perceptions and hyperbole to try and prevent women saying no, and expect everyone to go along with it. As a tactic, it's not going to help much.

popebishop · 24/02/2024 15:01

Erin, you seem to be sometimes using female to mean woman/ woman to mean female, but simultaneously saying womanhood isn't dependent on sex.

This is why we are trying to understand what you are actually attempting to convey when you use the words that you do. It's not clear. You seem to think that male and female sex/genes etc are related to gender identity.

SomeCatFromJapan · 24/02/2024 15:01

With the word "most" beforehand. Cis is just a scientific word anyway, same as trans. I hope you aren't offended?

Trans and cis used in the context of gender are not scientific words. It's just latin prefixes that have been co-opted by gender activists.
I'm not offended as it's not something I've personally hinged my entire identity on, but using it is forcing the an unwanted definition of a gender identity onto people against their will just fyi.

TabithaTwitchel · 24/02/2024 15:02

Couldn't agree more OP

GailBlancheViola · 24/02/2024 15:02

And in the meantime, maybe we can give transwomen the benefit of the doubt and not berate them for merely existing and thrusting their gender identity front and centre whenever possible.

Nobody is berating trans people for merely existing. Their gender identity is thrust front and centre when it is convenient for them by them.

Go about your life just stop demanding, trying to force and compel everyone else to be bit part players in it. Stop appropriating the language of women, stop dehumanising women, stop demanding access to women's spaces, services and sports. Accept the sex you were born and that no matter what you do to your body cosmetically, chemically or surgically your sex will never change. Use the spaces, services and sports for your sex. Celebrate that you are part of the rich and varied tapestry of males.

Being a horrible person doesn't mean she should have to choose to shower with a gang of men in prison, or not at all, when no cisgender criminals are afforded such extra punishment.

So you would have incarcerated females take the extra punishment of having a violent male incarcerated with them. Placing any male in the female prison estate is an extra punishment for the female inmates, thanks for clearing up just how deep your hatred and contempt of women goes.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 15:04

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 12:46

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/

Note that the trans people studied were all pre-HRT, so their brains have also been affected by a lifetime of masculinisation or feminisation. We still don't know the full impact of that or where their brains would be on the spectrum without that influence.

Just posting this again for people who are wondering what is all this misinformation about ‘brains’.

Please note 1/24 of the subjects studied fell outside the ‘normal parameters’ of male brains. One! Considering all the other known variables that cause differences such as hobbies and interests, this conclusion from this poster about brains is false based on the information in that study.

They seem incapable of processing the information with accuracy yet seem to then attempt to portray that people disagreeing just don’t like the science. this is very enlightening behaviour and shows a concerning inability to engage with truth.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2024 15:05

There is vitriol on this thread against a murderer who tortured animals. And a good deal of anger towards the media for lying.

I think you are seeing 'vitriol about trans people' because you can't see anything that doesn't centre your 'gender identity'. Just as you cannot imagine or empathise with women in prison with transwomen, because you only see the transwoman as human and worthy of your compassion.

The rest of us just see men and women.

Yes, exactly.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 15:07

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 14:57

That's a win for me, considering a lot of people still think we're just sexual deviant wolves in sheeps clothing. Baby steps.

People think that people who are sexual deviants are sexual deviants. Please post the posts here that proclaim all transgender people are sexual deviants.

This seems to be a strawman that you have built to claim some kind of victim status.

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 15:12

pickledandpuzzled · 24/02/2024 14:48

why the fuck do you think women should have to share prison with scarlet??

You make it sound like the women in prison are innocent. Assuming Scarlet is on E and continues getting it whilst in prison, why not put Scarlet in prison with other murderers?

Then again, trans healthcare in this country is nigh-on impossible to get these days so most trans women import their hormones from abroad in desperation and hope it doesn't get seized (as women here would do if they had high testosterone levels and couldn't get it elsewhere).

So the result is Scarlet will probably masculinise in prison, and will end up suicidal to boot, so that will complicate things.

SocksAndTheCity · 24/02/2024 15:13

'Cis' is not a useful or appropriate prefix for women because no prefix is needed; women are not a sub category. There are not different types of women.

It's only used to reduce and belittle us, therefore a lot of us don't take to it. HTH.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2024 15:14

I haven't the slightest interest in his hormone arrangements. I'm sure he can be prescribed some if necessary but as prisons are not segregated by hormones it's not relevant to where he is housed.