To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

[ArabellaScott]

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

I'm not going to have my gender identity gate-kept by anyone here, just like I would never try to do to anyone here.

You're literally on here calling people cis.

It is.

I've said this before, if prison were so hellish for men who identify as trans you have to wonder why so many of them only announce their desire to become a woman after they've been incarcerated. One might suspect that instead of having a death wish these men have seen the grifting potential of a trans identity.

This person is a man. When men like this are in women's spaces, being called women, it is a very significant issue for those who are actually women.

I'm way, way past reams of burble and studies to try frantically to get me to feel sorry enough for a man to go on enabling him in this way, because the sole bottom line is: 'embrace all these men in your spaces and shut up^ including the ones like this who are violent criminals. I'm also long past numb to the name calling and shaming and other attempts trying to wangle women into shutting up and going on enabling, and not mentioning the issues.

'Revoking his womanliness' - it was never there in the first place. The bottom line is that if you do you, and don't bother anyone, most people won't bother you and you'll be fine. Start making a nuisance of yourself and behaving appallingly? Yes people are going to start speaking plain truths you do not want to hear, and stop looking the other way. And yes, pattern recognition is a thing, and these cases just keep on coming up.

@Erin394
In an attempt to change the dialogue with you to something more constructive do you (assuming you are a trans person) feel that you want to condemn this person? I assume you must abhor their actions?

Do you not want to overturn their right to identify as trans when they use attempting to appear as a female to aid them to commit horrific violent crimes? Why don't you want to break any association with them as women want to do - do you want to break association with them?

You do have a choice other than saying "Scarlett is a woman...." You could choose to say "Scarlett does not represent me or my community and "she" can be sent to a man's prison to rot".

I'll revoke my fucking womanliness right here and now. Won't change my sex.

Oh wait, is Erin the TW who had an AMA some time ago whose whole idea of what a woman or man was, was based on the assumption there are two types of brain, men's more rational, women's more emotional, and this applies to all men and women except if you are trans and have the opposite traits?

That was an enlightening thread - I'm seeing the same ideas pop up here.

How do you think somebody who is not a woman would know (as opposed to believe or think they know) what women feel like, @Erin394 ?

Are you saying that all women are the same, and feel the same way about everything (and likewise men)? Because I've had enough differences of opinion on here alone to tell you that is categorically not the case 🤨

I can't think of anything worse than being a trans woman in a prison full of biological males

The male entitlement this betrays is gobsmacking 🤦‍♀️

Of all the navel gazing, self entitled, tone deaf nonsense I've heard from the TRAs, this is still shocking

I think you (and many others) have missed the point that I was trying to show with that (sadly small sample sized) study.

I wasn't trying to suggest that transwomen have brains within the parameters of "typical" females.

I was trying to suggest that it appears transwomen don't have brains that fall within the parameters of "typical" males.

Nobody here is going to consider a trans-woman a woman. But maybe people can recognise that a transwoman is not just a wolf in sheeps clothing either, and that there is something going on under the surface that we don't yet fully understand.

And in the meantime, maybe we can give transwomen the benefit of the doubt and not berate them for merely existing and thrusting their gender identity front and centre whenever possible.

Then again, maybe that's naive of me. After all, we still don't know what makes people gay - and yet somewhere along the line, people stopped caring. So it turned out that, for better or worse, understanding wasn't even the key to acceptance. I suspect that will be the case again, in god knows how many decades.

People stopped caring about people being gay because it had zero actual impact. No-one was trying to get into woman's toilets. No-one was trying to compell speech. No-one was trying to get us to disbelieve our own eyes and say things that weren't true.

I read online about it and ended up wanting to rewrite the article for them as they kept putting 'her' instead of 'him' . Basic journalism should be at least an attempt at honesty. I'd be embarrassed to write inaccurately.
Evil little scumbag male.

I don't know if she is female and that boils down to the simple fact that something has gone wrong either in the development of either the brain or the body - and we don't know which.

He is male.

They are either a female with a male body, or a male with a female brain. It depends on which you think takes priority. I think the brain should take priority.

Risible nonsense. A brain in a male is a male brain, a brain in a female is a female brain. The brain does not have a sex all of its' own separate from the body. As a previous pp said do you apply the same utter bollocks to any other major organ of the body?

I honastely haven't given the topic a lot of thought but perhaps there should be a prison for trans people. Most trans women on E have very low libido and are usually downright unable to penetrate, so maybe whether they are on HRT should be factored in if sexual assault and/or rape is the concern.

It is blindingly obvious you have not given the topic a lot of thought. Sexual assault and/or rape are not the only concerns there is privacy and dignity for the female inmates too, surprisingly even incarcerated females have the human right of that.

On the other hand, I can't think of anything worse than being a trans woman in a prison full of biological males.

Good plan not to commit a crime that will achieve a prison sentence then. Personally, I can think of a lot worse things like being murdered for one.

Many trans people in the UK also import their hormones from abroad and do DIY HRT, since they can't get healthcare in the UK. So once imprisoned, they may no longer be able to access their HRT and their behaviour may change significantly. So it's case-by-case imo.

No, it is not case by case there are NO valid reasons for a male inmate to be housed in the female prison estate, none.

Also, that wasn't the point of the thread (the point of the thread was for a minority of bitter cisgender people to vent and feel justified in their anger towards the existence of trans people).

Ah the good old existence trope, coupled with insults as ever with TRAs.

I was trying to suggest that it appears transwomen don't have brains that fall within the parameters of "typical" males.

I'm perfectly happy for MTF trans people to consider themselves "atypical males".

If some men have different kinds of brains, they are widening the bandwidth of men, they have not become women. You cannot have a physically male person in a female only space without major impact on and exclusion of women, and I'm sorry love, women matter equally to men with TQ+ identities .

This. The fight for gays rights asked for nothing other than acceptance.

The TRAs want women to give up their language, their spaces, their services and their safety.

The answer is NO

Please stop using people with medical conditions for your own political purposes.

A person who has androgen insensitivity is not a person to be leveraged for your gain. They are a male human with androgen insensitivity. They have not developed ovaries because they are male.

They may be accepted as girls and women. But they never were destined to be female.

Again, you are proving that you are so deeply reading resources that seem more propaganda than based in factual truth.

Please stop this misinformation.

Nobody here is going to consider a trans-woman a woman. But maybe people can recognise that a transwoman is not just a wolf in sheeps clothing either, and that there is something going on under the surface that we don't yet fully understand.

I don't care what's going on in a random man's brain about hormones or genderwhang. I don't hate him, I am utterly uninterested in why he feels as he does. He just needs to stay out of my spaces and stop trying to spread the nonsense idea that sex is something that can be changed.

Of course I abhor their actions. Scarlett does not represent me or my community, and she can be sent to a prison to rot.

But a crime is a crime and a sentence if a sentence. I don't condone extra punishment for trans people purely based on the fact they are trans.

Being a horrible person doesn't mean she should have to choose to shower with a gang of men in prison, or not at all, when no cisgender criminals are afforded such extra punishment.

So yes, I'll focus more on the trans part.

Being a horrible person doesn't mean she should have to choose to shower with a gang of men in prison, or not at all, when no cisgender criminals are afforded such extra punishment.

He's a violent man, who will shower with other men. It's not 'extra'.

Being a horrible person doesn't mean she should have to choose to shower with a gang of men in prison, or not at all, when no cisgender criminals are afforded such extra punishment.

He's not going to be singled out in a men's prison for extra punishment. In fact he'll probably get an easier ride from the authorities.

Being a horrible person doesn't mean she should have to choose to shower with a gang of men in prison

It does if he's a man. Which he is 🙄

Should a woman in prison for non payment of a fine, or fighting in the street, have to shower with Scarlett then?

why the fuck do you think women should have to share prison with scarlet??

Really disappointed with Mails front page, I thought they were one of the clued up papers that said the truth!!